David Zima

@JRWOrlando @PresbyParsnip Bingo, we have finally found common ground 😀

@ZimaInFlorida @PresbyParsnip Oh I didn’t expect to silence you. I was sharing my personal convictions this morning. I intend to apply the biblical standards I referenced myself. I would urge others to do so, but I didn’t think for one moment that I would silence you.

If Saint Andrews and their flying monkeys (present company included) spent half as much energy admitting to and correcting their mistakes as they do playing detective to figure out if I'm Patrick Lennox, they might actually have a church worth respecting. Spoiler: I'm not, and he could only dream of being this funny.

@s_weening97081 Hey Seth, haven't heard from you in a while. Are you OK my friend?

It did happen and there is more to yhe story but it is more bad. The senior pastor then used to deacons to go after this member in an uncharitable way. There are a lot of stories like this John. Your reluctance to believe them may be because you don't believe the "T" in TULIP applies to elders at SAC? Or you may just suffer from amathia in this case.

@ZimaInFlorida @yikesmom @PresbyParsnip That is indeed horrible if it occurred. I can’t imagine that occurring in any church. There is likely more to the story.

BREAKING: Saint Andrews fires back at the PCA, formally demanding their communion bread recipe be STRICKEN from the Book of Church Recipes. “If we can’t excommunicate nonmembers, we CAN excommunicate you from the bread of the only true elect,” an elder reportedly stated. “These covenants cut both ways.” Rumors are swirling that the Church has upgraded the sacramental wine to The Macallan 30-Year-Old Sherry Oak Scotch since there are no rules now, though this has not been confirmed.

You are attempting to deflect and surpress the truth from the serious issue of concerns brought forward here by appealing to peace. There is a time for all things. Now is the time for accountability. People have been hurt by their church and its leaders. I will not be silent. I do not condone it. St Andrews never shared with church members the harm that happened to the 5 young men in 2018 by its senior pastor. There should been public repentance. Never again. I will follow the example that Paul, John and Our Lord set in calling ouy corruption publicly. You will not silence us John.

I wouldn’t condone that behavior either, of course. Whatever the facts are, the mocking of communion is not appropriate. The fact that there is an underlying element of truth doesn’t make these posts mocking SAC, whether humorously intended or not, appropriate. The effort to disparage SAC on this platform is not constructive whatsoever. We can trust in God’s nature, essence, and character in ALL things. We can rest in HIS justice, and we don’t have to litigate these matters on X. Let’s discuss the beauty of God’s nature, the power of the gospel, and the truth of God’s Word here. That seems to me to be much more glorifying to God than the perpetual attacking with sarcasm. It would be an amazing testimony to the watching world if we focused on things that build up. Titus 3:8 (ESV) The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. Colossians 3:1 (ESV) If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Philippians 4:8 (ESV) Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

@JRWOrlando @PresbyParsnip I think you are being disingenuous when you say you are not involved with St Andrews. My mentor, Dr Bahnsen, might even say you are self deceived. You would only know the names and issues you argue if you are directly involved with sycophants of St Andrews.

@PresbyParsnip I’m not involved with SAC and don’t care who you are. Mocking communion at SAC should be beneath you.

Speaking of horrible, did I tell you a former SAC member called last week and shared the humiliation he felt when the SAC senior pastor shamed him from the pulpit while he was fighting cancer? I get about one call a week like that from former members of St Andrews. I repent to them on behalf of the church as no elders there seem interested in taking responsibility.

@yikesmom @PresbyParsnip I don’t really care who it is. It is a horrible caricature of an important element of worship. Shameful.

@PresbyParsnip The men in the photo seem a little young to represent the SAC elders.

BREAKING: Saint Andrews Chapel has deployed its top-secret “Y-Team”, a highly trained unit specializing in saying yes to anything that the Godfather proposes, nodding approval, spreading misinformation, fighting when necessary, and slandering with precision. This unit has operatives and churches all over Central Florida, ready to respond at a moment’s notice. “If the E-Team, the elders’ wives club, weren’t getting it done, we had to call in the professionals,” said one unnamed elder. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them (they’re in the cigar room)… maybe you can hire the Y-Team.

Not even close John. I was there. You were not. I was on the session when this started. You were not and haven't been for 16 years. You speak as if you have first hand information but you don't. At best you have hearsay. My testimony having heard concerns first hand would be heard by a court. Yours would not.

So there is an agenda to your going public again with implied false allegations. "Brought suspicions? No, they made false allegations, even publicly and electronically with appalling language toward Rev. Adams, (something Heidi even admitted to Steve DeLoach). And in doing so they were called to repent and refused. They disrupted the peace and purity of the church. That is why SAC brought discipline against them.

@JRWOrlando John, what is your honest opinion of this joke: "What color was Joan of Arc's skin?" Ashen. Is this one OK?

You say you served with RC Sproul? Apparently, you never really got to know him. I may homemade wine and brought it to a session meeting once. He joked about communion wine. If you knew RC, you would know he told the worst jokes and we loved him for it. When I taught a bible study with him for a few weeks, he was nonstop with jokes that you probably would object to. His sense of humor was one of his best qualities.

More shameful drivel.

@yikesmom I wonder how substituting this for cheap wine will impact their ability to meet their budget?

Now this is excellent reporting!

@yikesmom Yes it is. Ironically, I had a member come to me once and reported that Parsons treated her harshly when all she did was asked if it was OK to share the communion bread recipe.

Actually, Andrews, another fact is St Andrews did not even follow its bylaws after it left the PCA in my case. The SAC bylaws require the accuser(s) to practice Matt 18 before the session is permitted to bring charges. This never happened. So, SAC's actions against me were also a violation of its present bylaws. Love to know your thought on that.

@DesmondActual @ZimaInFlorida I doubt it. Their bylaws give veto power to the senior pastor over the governing board. No orthodox Reformed denomination would accept that. They were promised to change that for the PCA, but never did. Bad track record.

A Public Statement of Central Florida Presbytery on the Excommunication of PCA Members by an Independent Church: Wednesday, April 1, 2026 On December 14, 2025, Saint Andrew’s Chapel (SAC) voted to leave the Presbyterian Church in America and become an independent congregation in accordance with BCO 25-11. Indictments and judicial cases initiated “in the name of the PCA” (BCO 31-4) properly belong to the courts of the PCA. SAC no longer possesses authority within those courts to adjudicate such cases. As an independent church, the governing board of SAC is no longer subject to the oversight of the PCA’s higher courts of appeal and is not authorized to adjudicate indictments issued in the name of the PCA. On March 12, 2026, the governing board of SAC improperly excommunicated three members (Ruling Elder David Zima, Drs Stephen and Heidi Nichols) in good standing in PCA churches within Central Florida Presbytery (CFP). These individuals resigned their membership from SAC on December 14, 2025, and were subsequently examined and received as members in their respective PCA churches within the CFP. They are members in good standing, admitted to the Lord’s Table, and welcomed into the fellowship of God’s people. Central Florida Presbytery deems these excommunications improper, disruptive to the peace of the Church, detrimental to those under our pastoral care, and without ecclesiastical effect within the Presbyterian Church in America. Adopted by the Central Florida Presbytery at its 201st meeting, March 31, 2026. Donald L. Mountan Stated Clerk of Central Florida Presbytery Presbyterian Church in America

@DesmondActual For the record Andrew, if St Andrews stayed in the PCA, I would have been able to clear my name on appeal just like Burk is doing. I would still be at SAC to pursue my appeal. They stripped this right from me which Burk enjoys. So, really two different set of facts here. The session of SAC violated and abused over a dozen areas of the BCO and RRO in my case. My case would have been overturned on any one of many abuses.

That can only be rectified if SAC becomes Presbyterian again in joining a body with appellate courts. If SAC does this, again, they cannot force the members to stay. A new membership covenant must be formed. What SAC tried to do to the Nichols and me would be like law enforcement skipping Miranda rights or the courts ignoring habeus corpus. It was ecclesiastically and legally out of order.

@_mattesrj @ZimaInFlorida The lack of appeal is an issue that will hopefully be rectified sooner rather than later.

Andrew, you are missing some important details. The most important is that neither I nor the Nichols were under indictment when we left. Our indictments were bound "In the name of the PCA" which SAC had not standing to represent. Possibly even more important is that the church breached its membership covenant with us when it changed its theology in leaving the PCA. Church membership and associated discipline is a voluntary relationship. If you were a Roman Catholic and they switched to Lutheran, they could not force you to stay? Agreed?

@StanChristi1986 @ZimaInFlorida Yes sir. Following the precedent set by the PCA on Tuesday, leaving a denomination is a valid means of escaping church discipline. So Burk, by this logic, could simply leave the PCA and go back to his regular duties at SAC, but he hasn’t. Why?

@mrs_k_r_ I think you understand Presbyterian polity better than most "independent Presbyterian" churches 😀

I’m new to Presbyterianism so can someone explain to me how you can have an *independant* *presbyterian* church? Isn’t a key feature of being Presbyterian that you have the presbytery? Without that isn’t it just reformed Congregationalism?

@ajaugenstein @coconservative7 @yikesmom Yep

Given what has been reported to police regarding the SAC/Nichols situation, it's essential that we ask why certain things have NOT been reported. Listen free: patreon.com/posts/finding-…