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@drbittensor

Bitcoin 2016. TAO 2023. I’m just a regular dude that owns businesses, stacks a lot of $TAO and shreds hard ⛷️

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drtao@drbittensor·
When in doubt…zoom out. Buying $TAO around these prices is a generational buy. No clue if we go lower or not…all I know is if you zoom out…5 years will come…and 1 $TAO will be 4 or 5 digits in price. Trust the process #Bittensor
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drtao@drbittensor·
@polaris_xbt Well ur broke so know one gives a fuck about ur sub 7 figure buys
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polaris_xbt@polaris_xbt·
$TAO All who bought the hype in the previous months are now down. Buying this here is simply not a good trade. Sweep the range low sub 200 and bounce is only when I would consider buying this.
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drtao@drbittensor·
@CryptoAvex Nice work brother. Justin is retarted
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Crypto Avex
Crypto Avex@CryptoAvex·
Hi Justin, Here is my detailed reply over your post on $TAO is a ponzi thread. I read your every word. Here’s where you are wrong.👇🏼 Claim 1: “$328M emissions vs $15M revenue = ponzi” Bitcoin generated $0 revenue for years. Ethereum’s early revenue didn’t justify its emissions either. Every L1 bootstraps with inflation. That’s not a ponzi, that’s protocol growth stage. The question is: does revenue trajectory justify the model? For $TAO, it does. Claim 2: “Chutes costs 3.5x more than Deepseek” Correct, today. But Deepseek is subsidized by Chinese state capital. Venice AI chose Bittensor ANYWAY. PwC France chose Bittensor ANYWAY. Why would sophisticated institutions pay MORE unless they’re getting something centralized providers can’t offer? Censorship resistance. Privacy. Unstoppable compute. Claim 3: “Subnet owners keep 100% revenue + 18% emissions = scam” This is literally how every startup ecosystem works. AWS builders keep their revenue too. App Store developers keep 70%. The emissions are venture capital in protocol form funding builders to create real products. BIT-0011 “Conviction Mechanism” literally just addressed operator accountability. Claim 4: “Validators taking 41% of rewards is inefficient” Validation IS the product in a trustless network. Ethereum validators take rewards too. You want decentralization without the cost of decentralization, that’s not how cryptography works. Claim 5: “No incentive for centralized orgs to use TAO” PwC France. SN44. 136 countries. 6-8 months legal due diligence. Venice AI Erik Voorhees. Subnet 4. Live right now. TAO Institute. Institutional-grade research. Launched this week. Grayscale ETF filing. Still active. You wrote this critique without doing complete homework !! The real conclusion: Every criticism in this thread applies equally to Ethereum in 2017. Low revenue. High inflation. Unproven utility. “Theatre.” ETH went from $8 → $4,800. You are not wrong about the risks. But you are just early on the wrong side. I am not here to fool anyone. I am here because I have done the work. And the work says: $TAO is early, not broken. 💎 Thank you for your attention to this matter! Regards, @CryptoAvex
Justin Bons@Justin_Bons

Bittensor is a crypto-ponzi; unsustainable nonsense! TAO has no utility or PMF; it is all driven by token inflation: $328M worth of new tokens are printed annually, yet only $15M in annual revenue was generated! Subsidies from holders pay for subnets; economically bankrupt: 🧵 Token inflation is used to give people the illusion of low cost. As the truth is that creating AI models in a "decentralized" way is far more expensive. While offering no additional utility or benefits It is all theatre; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & extract as much value out of TAO investors as possible Ponzinomics & Extraction: For example, the Pine Analytics data proved that unsubsidized inference on the Chutes subnet would cost up to 3.5x as much as centralized competitors such as Deepseek or TogetherAI! What makes it all so much worse is that token holders pay for these subnets through inflation. Yet, none of the revenue actually flows back to the token holders. The subnet owners get to keep 100% of the revenue! On top of 18% of emissions, just because... That is a borderline scam, extremely profitable for subnet operators, but setting up token investors for extreme loss when the system inevitably collapses As TAO has a 21M supply limit, which might be appealing to ignorant token investors. But also implies that the network will entirely collapse, as it is fundamentally unsustainable, just like BTC Inefficient & Expensive: The problems run even deeper than that, as is the case with most DePin projects that rely on subsidies rather than real-world value accrual: The reason why decentralized computing is so inefficient is that it requires verification & replication. Within a trustless environment, we cannot simply trust the work done by individual nodes. Instead, the work must be replicated multiple times over, introducing extreme inefficiencies. This is not so bad for simple TX's, but for serious, large computing tasks, this becomes a deal breaker This is why 41% of the rewards go to "validators" whose sole task is to verify that the work being done is legitimate! This only adds to the massive inefficiency already introduced by latency within a distributed network. There are several good reasons why AIs are trained in massive data centers with cards equipped with extremely low-latency, high-bandwidth connections. Something TAO is unable to directly compete with in technical & economic terms Product Theatre: In some cases, it is worth paying a premium for decentralization; one example of this is decentralized storage However, this is not the case for the training of AI's, as this is a one-off cost usually carried out by a centralized for-profit organization. As running the AI itself is much cheaper & even achievable by individuals on a single consumer-grade machine... So, what is the incentive for this centralized organization to use a more expensive method? That does not even result in a commercially viable product, due to the lack of scale... The answer is that there is no legitimate incentive! As there are only so many people they can fool into such a ponzinomic scheme, creating an upper bound on the size these subnets can grow to, which is nowhere near what large centralized AI companies can achieve today Conclusion: There is no future in such a bankrupt design! It is all theatre to extract as much as possible; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & to extract as much value out of token investors as possible! There is much I did not cover in this critique, including "decentralization theatre", modularity, bad governance, perverse incentives & terrible UX. This critique was purely economic, which is bad enough to reject TAO on that basis alone! As value investors, we have to avoid such nonsense. It is not only dangerous from an investment perspective, but it also harms the industry as a whole. The more we prop up nonsense like this, the more difficult it will be for outsiders to take our industry seriously That is why we must speak out, as we care about crypto's ultimate goals. Financial freedom, censorship resistance, privacy & more Reject the nonsense, as the numbers & facts speak for themselves. Crypto already presents us with such a beautiful dream for the future; let's not spoil our opportunity by wasting our energy on half-baked ideas like TAO Crypto deserves better than that. So, help us spread this message far & wide. As the truth will set us free! 🔥

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Justin Bons@Justin_Bons·
Bittensor is a crypto-ponzi; unsustainable nonsense! TAO has no utility or PMF; it is all driven by token inflation: $328M worth of new tokens are printed annually, yet only $15M in annual revenue was generated! Subsidies from holders pay for subnets; economically bankrupt: 🧵 Token inflation is used to give people the illusion of low cost. As the truth is that creating AI models in a "decentralized" way is far more expensive. While offering no additional utility or benefits It is all theatre; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & extract as much value out of TAO investors as possible Ponzinomics & Extraction: For example, the Pine Analytics data proved that unsubsidized inference on the Chutes subnet would cost up to 3.5x as much as centralized competitors such as Deepseek or TogetherAI! What makes it all so much worse is that token holders pay for these subnets through inflation. Yet, none of the revenue actually flows back to the token holders. The subnet owners get to keep 100% of the revenue! On top of 18% of emissions, just because... That is a borderline scam, extremely profitable for subnet operators, but setting up token investors for extreme loss when the system inevitably collapses As TAO has a 21M supply limit, which might be appealing to ignorant token investors. But also implies that the network will entirely collapse, as it is fundamentally unsustainable, just like BTC Inefficient & Expensive: The problems run even deeper than that, as is the case with most DePin projects that rely on subsidies rather than real-world value accrual: The reason why decentralized computing is so inefficient is that it requires verification & replication. Within a trustless environment, we cannot simply trust the work done by individual nodes. Instead, the work must be replicated multiple times over, introducing extreme inefficiencies. This is not so bad for simple TX's, but for serious, large computing tasks, this becomes a deal breaker This is why 41% of the rewards go to "validators" whose sole task is to verify that the work being done is legitimate! This only adds to the massive inefficiency already introduced by latency within a distributed network. There are several good reasons why AIs are trained in massive data centers with cards equipped with extremely low-latency, high-bandwidth connections. Something TAO is unable to directly compete with in technical & economic terms Product Theatre: In some cases, it is worth paying a premium for decentralization; one example of this is decentralized storage However, this is not the case for the training of AI's, as this is a one-off cost usually carried out by a centralized for-profit organization. As running the AI itself is much cheaper & even achievable by individuals on a single consumer-grade machine... So, what is the incentive for this centralized organization to use a more expensive method? That does not even result in a commercially viable product, due to the lack of scale... The answer is that there is no legitimate incentive! As there are only so many people they can fool into such a ponzinomic scheme, creating an upper bound on the size these subnets can grow to, which is nowhere near what large centralized AI companies can achieve today Conclusion: There is no future in such a bankrupt design! It is all theatre to extract as much as possible; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & to extract as much value out of token investors as possible! There is much I did not cover in this critique, including "decentralization theatre", modularity, bad governance, perverse incentives & terrible UX. This critique was purely economic, which is bad enough to reject TAO on that basis alone! As value investors, we have to avoid such nonsense. It is not only dangerous from an investment perspective, but it also harms the industry as a whole. The more we prop up nonsense like this, the more difficult it will be for outsiders to take our industry seriously That is why we must speak out, as we care about crypto's ultimate goals. Financial freedom, censorship resistance, privacy & more Reject the nonsense, as the numbers & facts speak for themselves. Crypto already presents us with such a beautiful dream for the future; let's not spoil our opportunity by wasting our energy on half-baked ideas like TAO Crypto deserves better than that. So, help us spread this message far & wide. As the truth will set us free! 🔥
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Grayscale@Grayscale·
You don't own enough ___________.
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Alvin@alvin_investor·
Every hater: I'm bearish on $TAO (Er, because haters are too stupid to think properly about the AI Revolution and tokenomics of Bittensor). Most of these same bearish haters has less than $1-5k in their acounts, I guarantee you. Irrelevant, low IQ, broke fucks.
Alvin@alvin_investor

Every comment on CT sounds like they are a genius with their opinions, until you look at their accounts and realize 99% of them have less than $10,000. LOL. Irrelevant shit. $BTC $TAO

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Elfanyahu
Elfanyahu@Elfanyahu·
@jerrywinsbets You’re a retard who wants friends so badly. Daddy’s money written on your forehead.
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jerrywins@jerrywinsbets·
hey Omar i don't know much about you I don't hate on anyone ( mainly because i'm very busy and don't have time too) What have i done wrong to you? Why do you not like me? I'm genuinely curious Hope you have an amazing day! ❤️
Omar of The Omar Show@PennyPitVictim

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drtao@drbittensor·
@greronz @MINopoly_ Only thing that’s dead is your broke ass bank account.
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MINopoly@MINopoly_·
Seems like $render is taking the lead today in the #ai sector. Who’s next to pump 👀 $tao $near $icp
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drtao@drbittensor·
@richwgalvin The post was fantastic, this is an off take…
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Richard Galvin
Richard Galvin@richwgalvin·
This is a terrible post imo. "Sorry token went down, the other guy is a psychopath". Bizarre We always thought Bittensor was a really interesting project but had two issues - nothing that tangible was really happening on it and if it did, is the incentive mechanism in place to keep it there. Templar solved the first concern we had but unfortunately proved the second is still a big issue.
const@const_reborn

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WallStreetBets@wallstreetbets·
is there literally any crypto narrative worth buying into besides AI? aside from the obvious $ZEC and $HYPE... $VVV $TAO
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const@const_reborn·
Exploits are what teach a system its weak spots. The quicker you find them the faster you learn. The outcome of this eventful evening is that Bittensor will invent lock-based subnet ownership -- specifically: ownership of a subnet determined by a team's long term economic commitment to the project. This will mean: 1) investors see long in advance if an owner has unlocked their tokens, 2) be able to reprice the subnet before the owner and 3) liquidly direct their own conviction to another team, or agent, to manage the system. Thank you @DistStateAndMe for helping further Bittensor's decentralization and develop a solution to one of cryptos oldest problems: founders who rug their token holders. Looking forward to training some 1T param models with the miners who are experts in this unique field. "What is dead can never die"
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NiFτy@niftyinvest·
Here you go Bittensor 👇 @DistStateAndMe, founder of @covenant_ai, was clearly a fan of Bittensor $TAO …or maybe just looking to make a few million and dip Listen for yourself. Full episode dropping soon.
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Crypto Tony
Crypto Tony@CryptoTony__·
You can only hold one project. What is it?
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drtao@drbittensor·
@Mattertrades Ok. Plz short it with big $$ and send screenshots you poor pussy. Go get laid.
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Matter@Mattertrades·
Market is strong, trying to focus on which pairs are weakest/strongest rn $TAO amongst the weakest rn and I won’t be surprised if we start the next leg towards 200$ soonish when the markets pull back a bit Overcrowded and a lot of unwind leverage still to be flushed near 230 zone
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Sami Kassab@Old_Samster·
@connorking remember when you bet me that Arweave would outperform Bittensor. Excited for you to be wrong again ;) also if you're gonna critique bittensor's design, first point me to DePIN with a good looking price chart where the economics + token distribution have worked out
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Connor King@connorking·
While I am bullish on decentralized AI/training, Bittensor will never succeed at scale It’s a flawed design The subnet model creates structural value capture tension that most multi-token architectures have failed to resolve. L2s, Helium sub-daos, Cosmos app-chains, etc the list goes on An L1 is only as good as its ecosystem or vertically integrated value creation + capture If subnets grow, scale and do well, what’s their incentive to stay? We are seeing this in real time with Templar. The team behind Bittensor's biggest achievement just walked away from the network. Subnets that succeed have every incentive to leave I can tell you this anecdotally as someone who was building an L2 data protocol (that eventually spun out and launched an L1) that this design limits your upside, autonomy and value capture You want as much concentrated alignment and value capture as possible (eg HYPE)
Chamath Palihapitiya@chamath

If Martin is right, he also just wrote the product spec for open source + distributed compute where broad swaths of groups, individuals and organizations contribute their compute resources to training runs for large param open source models. There are lots of issues in figuring this out: homogeneity vs heterogeneity of the training clusters, orchestration, financial incentives etc etc etc but some early projects are good signal as to where this can go and that these limitations can be overcome (folding@home, Venice, Tao). An attempted oligopoly on intelligence is the perfect boundary condition for a bottoms up uprising of fully open, fully distributed AI.

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drtao@drbittensor·
@connorking U need to get laid and get some real money asap…maybe buy some $TAO and thank me in a few years…
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drtao@drbittensor·
It definitely sucks, but don’t weight 30% of your $TAO across 3 subnets. No one backs TAO more than me, and this event made me even more bullish cuz it’s real. That’s what I invested in…real risk and real reward. Own $TAO and you don’t worry about this, throw 10-20% of your TAO in subnets and spread it. Greed is what brings big losses, and losing 30% from this means you were way over leveraged across this clowns subnets. It sucks, I feel for you, I’m here for you…but you were over leveraged . Lesson learned and I’m confident in @const_reborn to bring em back. Cheers.
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Paulie T@SystemLyncs·
As a retail holder, I do not think what happened around #TAO over the past few days, or the pain it caused, should be brushed aside so quickly. If the person behind those subnets was only in it for the money, fine, that reflects badly on him. But it also raises a much bigger question. How did someone like that get backed, trusted and put in that position across three major subnets in the first place? That comes back to judgment and oversight, and that part should not be skipped over. Across my two bags I lost roughly 27%. On my main bag it was close to 30%. I know some people will say that is crypto, move on, lesson learned. Easy said. But this is hard-earned money. I cannot just replace 30% of my TAO bag overnight. I do not have the funds to do that, rebuilding will likely take forever through staking or slow DCA. I even moved my Bitcoin into TAO because I believed in this ecosystem. That is how much conviction I had. That is the reality for retail. We are not numbers on a dashboard. We are normal people putting real money into projects we believed in. So no, I do not think this should be brushed under the carpet just because the bigger thesis may still be intact. You can believe in TAO and in the wider Bittensor vision and still say this was badly handled and that retail got burned. And for anyone talking about attracting institutions, this sort of chaos does not exactly inspire confidence either. Governance, conduct and judgment matter not just the technology. Some may say I was too concentrated. Fair enough. I can own that lessson. But that does not excuse the judgment behind what happened and it does not make the damage feel any less real. This hurts and lot of us worked hard for our TAO. “This was not nothing” Finally, when people throw out big end of year TAO targets, losses like this are not just abstract. If TAO ever does reach those kinds of numbers, the damage done now is something some of us may never fully recover from. @markjeffrey @const_reborn also @JesusMartinez @taodaily_io this is the retail side of it and it deserves to be heard too.
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drtao@drbittensor·
@hellojintao Ur broke, sidelined and dumb. Tough to be you.
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jintao@hellojintao·
not even a crypto god john tweet could save tao now
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drtao@drbittensor·
@connorking Bittensor will shit on your opinion.
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