@effonecasualfan Max driving the Red Bull was
You can't have Max driving both cars
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If you go for a gap that does not exist, you are a stupid driver
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@FormulAnalyst "In that Aston Max wins at least Jeddah, Australia, Miami, Monaco, Canada, Zandvoort and Brazil A few other wins in which he gets pole and manages the race and he wins that WDC"
He only wins Monaco.
Red Bull was much faster than the entire competition
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It's an RBPT issue, every driver has extensively talked about it.
Fanbases have a tendency to over exaggerate how good their favourite drivers are, or how bad the drivers they hate are.
Some geniuses are questioning Max Verstappen's "adaptability" even though he's had the car die on him in 33% of competitive sessions, even though he's essentially been the benchmark Red Bull driver everytime he's been on track.
It's an unfortunate nature of fan discourse where a driver that's going through a rough phase gets piled on unreasonably while the driver that's having a good run is hilariously gassed beyond what he's truly capable of,
An idle gaze at F1Twt in 2025 would make you think Max Verstappen could win in an Alpine and Lewis Hamilton is washed,
In 2026, it's seemingly flipped...
The reality is somewhere in the middle.... always
Delta Data@DeltaData_
Having analysed this situation in depth, I think I’ve been able to reach a conclusion. Verstappen has always been one of the drivers with the best starts; it’s impossible for a driver of his calibre to have three poor starts in a row due to his own mistakes. Furthermore, if you check his onboard, you can clearly see that the start itself is good and his reaction time is among the best, but suddenly the engine stops delivering power. It’s also a fault we’ve seen with several drivers in these races. Therefore, I’m certain we can say that this is more of a mechanical issue than a driving error, and if that’s the case, his weekend can only be described as really good.
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@effonecasualfan Every cross comparison points towards Max being AT LEAST 2 tenths faster than Alonso
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@effonecasualfan Max would make that Aston Martin faster and undriveable for Stroll by pushing for a more pointy front end
Perez was 28-7 vs Stroll in qualy H2H
Verstappen was 81-9 vs Perez in qualy H2H
Stroll would be demolished by Max let's be serious
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@effonecasualfan What? In the races Alonso finished P2, if you take Max out of the race Alonso wins...
That's automatic, the others since Max would have been on pole I think he keeps P1 with ease
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@effonecasualfan The truth is that in the 5 best qualifying performances from Stroll (Jeddah, Australia, Spain, Austria and Brazil) Alonso was just 2-3 in H2H and only 0.044s faster on average
That's 5 poles if Max is driving that car
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@effonecasualfan Alonso got 3 P2s that year, Verstappen won all 3, swap them and let me know who wins those 3 races
In that Aston Max wins at least Jeddah, Australia, Miami, Monaco, Canada, Zandvoort and Brazil
A few other wins in which he gets pole and manages the race and he wins that WDC
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@effonecasualfan Or here, Max would need to be 0.340s faster than Stroll in Australia to put it on pole, you think he is not doing it?
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@effonecasualfan I agree with all of that, but that's still nothing more than an assumption
So you think Max in the Aston Martin would have worst avg qualifying position while Stroll remaining at 12.727?
Look at this, if Stroll gets a P3 in qualifying (+0.323s), Max is on pole every single time
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@scenario448 @DeltaData_ Cross comparisons combining different drivers as references point towards something like this
Qualifying pace
1. Verstappen
2. Norris +0.037%
3. Leclerc +0.070%
4. Piastri +0.173%
5. Sainz +0.202%
6. Hamilton +0.257%
7. Russell +0.279%
This is entire career, not peak for peak
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@FormulAnalyst @DeltaData_ Fair enough, I just have fatigue from the constant belittling of his abilities on this app
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1º 🇫🇷 Ocon 2017 — (7,882)
2º 🇬🇧 Norris 2019 — (7,834)
3º 🇲🇨 Leclerc 2018 — (7,816)
4º 🇫🇷 Gasly 2018 — (7,675)
5º 🇬🇧 Bearman 2025 — (7,595)
6º 🇬🇧 Russell 2019 — (7,467)
7º 🇦🇺 Piastri 2023 — (7,372)
8º 🇳🇱 Verstappen 2015 — (7,289)
9º 🇪🇸 Sainz 2015 — (7,235)
10º 🇮🇹 Antonelli 2025 — (6,449)
Alberto@albertomuroo
Ordenad a estos 10 pilotos según su año rookie: 🇳🇱 Verstappen 2015 🇪🇸 Sainz 2015 🇫🇷 Ocon 2017 🇫🇷 Gasly 2018 🇲🇨 Leclerc 2018 🇬🇧 Russell 2019 🇬🇧 Norris 2019 🇦🇺 Piastri 2023 🇬🇧 Bearman 2025 🇮🇹 Antonelli 2025 Luego pongo yo mi top 10.
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@effonecasualfan You assume it is wrong, and it may be but it is still nothing more then an assumption
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@FormulAnalyst cross comparisons do not hold true because the basic assumption is wrong, the car characteristics and team environments play a major role
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@scenario448 @DeltaData_ I didn't say it wasn't impressive
Mate, I think Norris is an exceptional driver and in terms of pure pace, maybe the 2nd best on the grid, definitely at least 3rd
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@FormulAnalyst @DeltaData_ More mechanical failures is a fair explanation for the points delta. 0.073% off a top 10 driver on the grid as an 18/19 year old is impressive.
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@effonecasualfan Key ingredient being that the pack is as close as posible (probably at the final year of a regulation set), so that those 7 tenths actually make a difference
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@effonecasualfan I mean, judging by the content below, Verstappen could have won in the 2023 Aston Martin, the 2024 Aston Martin or in the 2009 McLaren (many other examples exist)
Avg Qualifying position
Stroll 2023 - 12.727
Stroll 2024 - 12.917
Kovalainen 2009 - 11.382
Tsunoda 2025 - 12.381
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@effonecasualfan Unless you think Stroll is miles ahead as a driver compared to Tsunoda, which I would call it "blasphemy"
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@milanwyddd @DeltaData_ Capitalizing on chaos is a big part of the game, but I get you, the gap is inflated by like 20 points, Sainz had a gearbox DNF in Bahrain as well
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@FormulAnalyst @DeltaData_ well no, it's sainz that would have way less. sainz gained like 15 points through luck just in the baku to monaco 3 race stretch for example, another 16 at uk+germany, and a lot at brazil too of course. they would both be at the 60 to 70 mark.
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@dharathar @DeltaData_ Come on, when it's to shit on Max, Perez is a bum, now he is suddenly very experienced and fast
Bearman barely beat Ocon
Ocon was beat by Perez
What else did you want rookie Verstappen to do in a Toro Rosso, score 90% of the team's points and get 4 podiums and 1 win?
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@FormulAnalyst @DeltaData_ Ah. Sainz, the seasoned veteran of F1 in 2015.
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@milanwyddd @DeltaData_ Hmm I doubt it but please prove your point
49 vs 96 points is a pretty big mountain to climb
Norris had 6 DNFs, he would need all those 6 to be P5s to reach the points of Sainz
Norris' best finish in 2019 was P6.
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@FormulAnalyst @DeltaData_ norris matches sainz and argueably beats him luck corrected.
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@thef1diplomat @michaelmasinot @F1BigData Mercedes was better than Red Bull in 2025 and apart from the first 5 races not really that far in 2024
No insecurity mate, but I know you like to talk shit about Max so followed up with the same logic to diminish your boy 🫶
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@FormulAnalyst @michaelmasinot @F1BigData Thanks for that, considering Max had the best cars since 2021, it makes it more of an expectation to be there, no? And I’m not saying that to diminish Max, but your need to put Max’s stats up there implies a certain insecurity that no one was comparing until you did.
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@thef1diplomat @michaelmasinot @F1BigData The last time MV finished outside of China 26 (recorded a DNF while being locked for P6), Austria 25 (taken out by Kimi Talibantonelli), Australia 24 (mechanical DNF), Australia 22 (mechanical DNF), Bahrain 22 (mechanical DNF) was Monza in 2021
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@michaelmasinot @F1BigData The last time GR finished outside of Australia 24 (recorded a DNF while fighting in the points), Belgium 24 (race win DSQ), and Monaco 2025 (car reliability in quali) was Zandvoort (Dutch GP) in 2023.
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@pi3tro0o0 @leilaaa143169 @DeltaData_ So what you said it's true if we have a low std deviation of results from both drivers
If the variability is large in the driver that scored less points, it's actually the opposite, because every odd result ends up mattering more
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@pi3tro0o0 @leilaaa143169 @DeltaData_ Those 3 races alone ended up meaning 20 points out of his total of 33, so 60% of his points were scored in 3 races
Lando in 2019: his best 3 races were 22 points (44.9% of the total 49)
Kimi in 2025: his best 3 races were 48 points (32% of the total 150)
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