@scottynukeop @new2posting @ExistentialEnso more people should talk about how much computing power it takes to watch and upload videos online and i'm saying this unironically.
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@BumingLadder
30+ "with every mistake, we must surely be learning!"
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@new2posting @ExistentialEnso Okay, I was talking about comparing corn to other crops. I'm also annoyed this is still being compared with a food source.
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even if AI were entirely removed from this conversation (as it honestly really should, it doesn't use that much water), we need to have a serious conversation about just how much water it takes to produce beef
Tride@TriDeapthBear
I like the "agriculture uses way more water than ai" argument because it implies that asking grok to put someone in a bikini is just as important as literally eating food
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@dragonitewife @mudrarakahasa @TriDeapthBear there's over 2.5 billion chatgpt queries daily and there's over 1.5 billion cattle alive today each consuming between 10 to 50 gallons of water per day.
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@mudrarakahasa @TriDeapthBear The amount per queiry is irrelevant when you think about how many are made per day+image generation which is way more intensive+it is not benifitting society in any way
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@joanjettsimp @mszumexx @Octofinite @ogc2025 @gilamuenster @TriDeapthBear @counter_curve_5 i've genuinely never seen this level of caring about the environment when it comes to the meat industry before 2020 besides vegans and climate change activist.
why do so many people online care about the environment just recently? and why only when it involves not using ai?
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@mszumexx @BumingLadder @Octofinite @ogc2025 @gilamuenster @TriDeapthBear @counter_curve_5 people HAVE been caring for meat longer than AI has been popular. Are you 11? I was shown videos IN SCHOOL of chickens being abused in confined spaces. Like I said BOTH CAN BE TRUE. Cattle industry BEEN huge, AI is growing everyday so we can cut this cancer off before it kills us
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@joanjettsimp @Octofinite @ogc2025 @gilamuenster @TriDeapthBear @counter_curve_5 even if we were to include all ai companies in this, all of them would still not be as bad as the meat industry.
like, c'mon, do you seriously think these are actually much better for the environment that ai data centers?
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@Octofinite @ogc2025 @gilamuenster @TriDeapthBear @counter_curve_5 LMAO that’s still only Google dumbass. Google is not the only company with AI facilities like why are yall cherry picking so hard. I don’t even eat meat because of the fact abuse is rampant, so keep assuming shit LOL. Yall just proved me right if anything so please go on 😄😄
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@peculiar_jester unfortunately, if you care about data centers polluting black neighbourhood but still use twitter then you're pretty much a (very big) part of the problem.
the data centers those articles talks about is owned by xai, the ones running grok and twitter in general.
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the big difference here is that ai is directly poisoning black and otherwise underprivileged communities right this second. all industry sucks.
Joth@jothwip
People are so mad about the fact that the meat industry is objectively several orders of magnitude times worse for the envoironment than AI because it means they can no longer boast on twitter about how climate change is someone else's personal responsobility
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@inkywitcheater @jothwip that still doesn't mean much if we're comparing the ai industry with the meat industry.
even if one chatgpt prompt takes about 500ml and 2.5 billion daily queries, it would still be nothing compare to the amount of water needed just to keep 1.5 billion cattle hydrated in a day.
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@jothwip Multiple people here already talked about why this comparison is bad but its also insane that its using claims of per pull request water usage being 30ml coming from tech companies instead of the 500ml figure from university of ca that matched other independant studies lol
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I could use AI every day of my life and it would still not be as ecologically damaging as a double decker cheeseburger
Joth@jothwip
People are so mad about the fact that the meat industry is objectively several orders of magnitude times worse for the envoironment than AI because it means they can no longer boast on twitter about how climate change is someone else's personal responsobility
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@taylor_kangaroo @jothwip and there's over a billion cattle alive today, how much water do they need to consume each day?
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@mrmvffins @Terrovax666 doubt it considering we're talking about industrial farming which means the entire world's ai use (which didn't get really big until 4-5 years ago) would need to (somehow) beat the total life-time emissions of these:
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@Terrovax666 Ai does way more damage than humans eating meat ever could
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Eating meat (sustenance) wastes more water than AI (machine that adds no value to our lives)
That vegan lifestyle has taken away braincells you cannot retrieve
Fucking idiot
R@fictionalangst
eating meat wastes more water than AI. I‘m anti AI in regards to art - whether its movies, books, paintings etc but yall acting like anyone who like or uses AI is a climate terrorist meanwhile yall couldnt care less about the BIGGEST clinate destroyer: meat consumption
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@mrmvffins @kallzivaz no, mate, saying "industrial agriculture causes much more harm than ai" does not equal saying "using ai does not affect the environment".
they're basically saying that putting too much focus on ai's climate impact means actively ignoring these:
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@kallzivaz AI consumes more water and electricity with 0 benefit to society or humanity
I'm not denying that facrories do harm
But to say they do more harm than AI is just understating how bad AI actually is
Farming animals actually helps people, AI doesn't
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. alright, i'll ask you again, how do you "steal" an image on the internet?
2. if you mean it could only do what it does because of its training data then yeah, so? what's wrong with downloading images on the internet?
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. Wether it's a database or something else it's training data depends on other people's work, therefore I think it should be stealing or at least unoriginal, but is it officially recognized like that? Not really
2. Well the only influence the AI gets is through training right?
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“Ai version is better”
We’re so done, it’s over for us as a species. We’ve failed as a society and the rest will follow suit.
Khyle Stuff (COMMS OPEN)@Khyle_stufff
ok i made it, maybe a follow?
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. ai doesn't store its training data on any "database", this "database" is a myth perpetuated by people that don't know how ai works.
2. you're still thinking ai do everything it does without anyone influencing them?
3. see the number 2 above.
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. They take the images and store it into their database, this was tested when people asked AI to make a wine glass half full of wine, it couldn't make it right cause there wasn't many images like that with that description
2. I didn't say they only do that but you can't feel-
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 3. again, where exactly do you draw the line of "doing it yourself"? photography is considered "doing it yourself" so why not using ai?
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x You take the pictures yourself, and you either edit those yourself or have someone else edit them, there's no assistance other than maybe the camera itself, but that doesn't really make sense cause there's no other way to take a picture
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. how exactly does ai "takes" images off the Internet? downloading things on the internet does not delete it from existence, it's still there.
2. that sounds like a you problem if you think people only make funny images with ai.
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. When I mean original I'm talking about like drawing it or making it yourself, references are okay but AI takes them off the Internet which is a big fuck you to artists
2. Like I said, AI can only really make "funny" things, it can't show any more emotions
3. In photography-
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. why does it need to be original and why would being unoriginal makes it bad?
2. then ai made works have soul considering how many ai memes/reaction images people keep posting.
3. where exactly do you draw the line of "doing it"? is photography considered "not doing it"?
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. It's wrong because it's not truly original if it uses stuff from the Internet to create something
2. Soul doesn't physically exist because like I said it's the feeling, the soul can come out in emotion as well
3. Just because you order it to do it doesn't mean you're doing it?
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x this reply implies you think
1. every ai images online just appears without someone prompting it.
2. that all of them created without a purpose and "making someone laugh" aren't a purpose.
watch a video from this channel and tell me what do you think
@NeuralViz/videos" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">youtube.com/@NeuralViz/vid…
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x Which is mostly laughter cause memes, if it's meant to convey something with other emotions it falls flat because robots don't understand humans like us humans understand each other, its more considered real when humans make art because an real person made it don't a robot
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. i'm asking what's wrong with someone simply wanting to have a cool image using ai not if spending time to learn how to draw worth it.
2. so soul literally doesn't exist? TIL.
3. you think ai could just automatically generate an image without anyone ordering it to?
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@BumingLadder @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x 1. The hours learning is worth it in the end because it's something YOU made with YOUR hands. It feels more rewarding this way
2. The soul in art is the same thing as the soul in soul food, it's not something you can technically measure, it's a feeling, ai has little feelings-
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@illusion4z @joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x but what if they just want a cool image now instead of spending hours of their life learning how to draw?
and what even is a "soul" and why does something need to have it to be considered real and valid? can you even measure it?
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@joshbuilding @mouthfeeeel @Note0kahbro @crim7x Yeah but there's not really a soul in AI, just because you put your ideas in doesn't make it any better, it's just lazy honestly, if you don't have funds to pay someone learn
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@illusion4z @mouthfeeeel @joshbuilding @Note0kahbro @crim7x "the decimation of nature slower than if it existed"? you genuinely believe ai cause a sizeable portion of climate change? like, seriously? not even joking?
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@mouthfeeeel @joshbuilding @Note0kahbro @crim7x What are you yapping about, and no I don't think it's gonna fix the entire environment but it's gonna make the decimation of nature slower than if it existed
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@KeyTryer another problem with online art discourse is that most people equates the word "art" with "quality".
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The reason that everyone's always bitching on Twitter about what is art or not is that despite seemingly defining so many people's identities, art isn't a real thing.
Aiko (Togata's wife)@fumikoded
You cant be lukewarm and go "i think these particular games are art". Either you think seriously about the medium and understand every videogame is a piece of art or an attempt at it regardless of quality or you just see them as products not unlike toys
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@SOPHONTSIMP @nikicaga they (the quoted person) most likely referring to these report by the UN which, unsurprisingly, have no mention of ai or data centers.
news.un.org/en/story/2026/…
unu.edu/inweh/collecti…
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@nikicaga “The World Health Organization has announced that we will start running out of clean water (drinking, showering, laundry, dishes) in the next FEW YEARS.” Where is such an announcement? Cursory search does not reveal one.
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This is wildly exaggerated for most countries and also has very little to do with AI
Sophia ❣️@KeruboSk
The World Health Organization has announced that we will start running out of clean water (drinking, showering, laundry, dishes) in the next FEW YEARS. We are officially entering water bankruptcy. This is a direct result of AI. Please stop using it now.
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