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martin biehl

@36zimmer

artificial intelligence, artificial life, artificial agency, artificial physics | @[email protected]

tokyo/berlin Katılım Temmuz 2012
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
I feel pretty dumb for never even having considered this. Roughly: Neural network recursive self-improvement speed must be limited by neural network training speed. Unless there is some faster non-neural network tech that the neural networks discover of course. Still interesting.
mc lumps ⏹️❗️ 🔨⏱️@lumpenspace

@jeffcafe_ yea but algorithmic foom on neural networks wont foom as much as algorithmic foom on garage-brewed, i386-ran Magic Intelligence Formula

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martin biehl@36zimmer·
I am happy that many who vote red note it is a positive thing that if everyone voted red everyone survives. It suggests to me that far more than 50 % of people prefer nobody would die as a result of this.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@_fernando_rosas I guess my actual question is whether that seems different to you? To me it seems to already have the same issue.
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@_fernando_rosas Step 2: do it to all bits in ram and cache and pixels on the screen. So that e.g. the screen will show the same thing. Step 3: spread out all those bits and pixels across the world and flip them accordingly. When did the software stop being run:
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Fernando Rosas
Fernando Rosas@_fernando_rosas·
Let me share a thought experiment that made me start doubting that consciousness depends only on computational function (eg, that it is like software) It goes over three steps, and you can share your take on it at the end 👇🏽
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Fernando Rosas
Fernando Rosas@_fernando_rosas·
At what point do you think the experience of watching a sunset was first modified? Feel free to share your reasoning 🙏
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Nikita Bier
Nikita Bier@nikitabier·
Starting Thursday, we'll be updating our revenue sharing incentives to better reward the content we want on X: We will be giving more weight to impressions from your home region—to encourage content that resonates with people in your country, in neighboring countries and people who speak your language. While we appreciate everyone's opinion on American politics, we hope this will disincentivize gaming the attention of US or Japanese accounts and instead, drive diverse conversations on the platform. We invite creators to start building an audience locally. X will be a much richer community when there's relevant posts for people in all parts of the world.
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David Deutsch
David Deutsch@DavidDeutschOxf·
@ZoemDoef @hormetic Yes. But specifically only the English-Scottish-Dutch one. The others were cargo-cult imitations.
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David Deutsch
David Deutsch@DavidDeutschOxf·
Have you ever wondered why virtually all the world's dictatorships, caliphates, tyrannies, kleptocracies, absolute monarchies etc pretend to have elected parliaments?
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@robinhanson Listing the factors in a uniform way would make them much easier to understand. Might feel redundant to put either“rise of” or “increase in status of” in front of every one of them but it is still helpful for the reader. Else the reader has to do that with themselves anyway…
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Robin Hanson
Robin Hanson@robinhanson·
Huh. I don't think I've ever had less popular X polls. My and my followers interests seem to be diverging.
Robin Hanson@robinhanson

Culture Change Causes Polls Consider “cultural” aspects of human behavior, i.e., ones that are harder to evaluate and to change individually, like game theory equilibria, conformity, norms, sacred, aesthetics, meaning, coordination, and status markers. While all behavior has been changing faster for many centuries, at “modernism” ~1900 “cultural” aspects suddenly started changing much faster than before. Here are 16 factors to help explain such culture changes: Elite Youth Culture - Rise of high school and college, youth culture and movements; changes had to appeal to elite youths. Lazy/Myopic/Selfish/Pleas - Revert to be more lazy, myopic, selfish, pleasure-oriented. Forager Reversion - Revert to forager styles: more art, leisure, democracy, and equality, and less religion, fertility, and domination. Individualism, Authentic - Rise in status of individualism, authenticity: think for yourself, follow your heart, be true to yourself. Innovate, Explore, Create - Rise in status of innovation, exploration, creativity. Abstract Concept, Reason - Rise in status of more abstract concepts and reasoning. Rich, Safe, Trade/Talk - Stuff that appeals more to people who are richer and safer, with more/wider talk/travel/trade. Merging Culture Appeal - Stuff accessible to and can appeal to the wide range of cultures merging in this period. Fashion/Elite Displace - Rise in fashion as change process; changes must appeal to elites seeking to displace other elites. Media/Word Legibile - Legibility of change symbols to spread via words and mass media. Big Org/Inst. Codify - New stuff can be seen and codified by our new large orgs and institutions. Sounds Good, Short-Run - Prefer stuff that sounds good and shows visible short-run gains. Visible Sacrifice - Visible sacrifices show allegiance; we figure we value what we’ve seen recent big visible sacrifices for. Lose Religion/Fragment - Loss of religion and traditions as core cultural glues induce fragmentation, divergence. Low War/Internal Polarize - Less war and outside threats make more wealth inequality, stronger internal conflict, polarization. Adapt Tech/Demography - Sensible adaptation to other behavior changes, not of culture type, eg, tech, demographic, and business practices. The first 8 polls are about the years 1900-2025.

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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@SimsYStuart @drmichaellevin @kanair I wanted to know what “A mouse communicates through hedonic valences.” means for you. I don’t understand it. I proposed a guess what it could mean but that one doesn’t seem correct.
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Stuart Sims
Stuart Sims@SimsYStuart·
@drmichaellevin @kanair A mouse communicates through hedonic valences. Like every other biological organism. Linguistics are a tokenization of hedonic valences. Why is that not understood? smh
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Ryota Kanai
Ryota Kanai@kanair·
A random question. Could we ever ask a mouse a simple Yes/No question? I don't mean training them to press a "Yes" or "No" button for a reward. I mean genuinely asking something like "Are you hungry right now?" and getting a real answer. Is that possible?
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Stuart Sims@SimsYStuart·
@36zimmer @drmichaellevin @kanair I feel like I’m communicating with somebody with a mild brain injury. 😂 Can you ask your question again without cheese/mouse metaphors?
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@drmichaellevin @kanair I think this would answer the question “are you hungry and do you think this food is nutritious?” if the mouse doesn’t eat the food we don’t know if it wasn’t hungry or didn’t think the food was nutritious. To make sure it knows the food is nutritious we gotta train it…
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Michael Levin
Michael Levin@drmichaellevin·
@kanair Hmm I may be missing something but why not offer it a nutritious but not tasty food. If it eats, the answer is yes. If it doesn’t, the answer is no. Wouldn’t that work?
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@ErikVoorhees They are also more in favour of not giving guns to the police either I think? Maybe those things don’t work but it’s not immediately obvious that that’s more authoritarian.
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@ErikVoorhees This is the best argument for guns I am aware of. I think the left just isn’t convinced that there is no other way to prevent the state from abusing its power over its citizens. I think they are just more optimistic than you in this sense. Sousveillance is an example option.
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Erik Voorhees
Erik Voorhees@ErikVoorhees·
It is curious that those on the left—the alleged advocates of democracy—are not the more ardent supporters of gun ownership and the Second Amendment. The pro-social, pro-civilizational purpose of guns is, after all, equality. Guns' most distinct virtue is not the ability to go hunting on the weekends, nor even for use in home defense. Rather, their most distinct virtue is in the egalitarian expression of power, arguably *the* foundational prerequisite for democracy. Tyranny or fascism of any kind is most difficult among a well-armed populace. This point is indisputable. Thus, any group that advocates highly centralized, hierarchical power, should oppose broad gun ownership. And any group that advocates highly decentralized, democratic power, should so sanctify it. What are we to make of the modern Left, then? Where is their advocacy of egalitarianism on the very policy which most enables it?
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@bryan_caplan Reasoning makes some sense but also seems a bit like saying that natives’ mistake was they didn’t create the bureaucracy to prove ownership and ancestry? Eg land ownership registry and birth certificates.
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Bryan Caplan
Bryan Caplan@bryan_caplan·
"While I’m not a big fan of Murray Rothbard’s The Ethics of Liberty, he has a methodical and plausible response to all questions of this form.  I almost never post lengthy blockquotes, but here I’ll make an exception." betonit.ai/p/do_indians_r…
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@_fernando_rosas @RichardSSutton @dwarkesh_sp An agent should act according to its beliefs in order to achieve its goal. Maybe can interpret the belief update as a choice? Since it depends on current belief (and input). Then maybe can say that it chooses best next belief in order to best predict inputs. Could give you Bayes?
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Fernando Rosas
Fernando Rosas@_fernando_rosas·
Is a “contemplative” agent, who just wants to predict but not do anything about it, pursuing a proper goal? Are downstream actions necessary? Question motivated from the great conversation between @RichardSSutton and @dwarkesh_sp
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Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
Sam Tobin-Hochstadt@samth·
@littmath I think there's a real tradeoff here -- for a high percentage of real ChatGPT questions (even many in math), you really want it to ground everything with search rather than thinking for itself.
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martin biehl@36zimmer·
@ChristianHeiens “Politics requires people to be capable of recognizing enemies, believing in a cause that binds them, and ultimately being willing to fight for it.” How do you know?
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Christian Heiens 🏛
Christian Heiens 🏛@ChristianHeiens·
Politics requires people to be capable of recognizing enemies, believing in a cause that binds them, and ultimately being willing to fight for it. The first criterion certainly exists. The second is questionable, and the third probably hasn't existed in the West since at least the end of the Cold War, if not since World War II. We live in an age and in a society where all irony poisons everything. Nothing is ever sincerely held. It's always passed off as a joke. All beliefs are ironic, all meaning is subjective, and (almost) no one is willing to kill or die for anything, even as people very blatantly pick sides and declare each other enemies. When Yarvin says neither side is capable of a civil war, he's not wrong. Politics requires intensity. And if society is incapable of intensity, then politics is impossible. We might think this is actually a good thing, but that's like saying the rabbit is good because it's incapable of violence. Helplessness is not the same thing as goodness. Goodness requires the capacity for violence and the virtue to understand when to employ it and when not to.
Curtis Yarvin@curtis_yarvin

Scratch the surface of anyone who believes this is about preserving Our Constitutional Republic, and you find these deranged, anachronistic fantasies of civil war. No one in America today is morally capable of civil war. They’re not, we’re not

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Bryan Caplan
Bryan Caplan@bryan_caplan·
Excellent. PS The correct approach is to generalize continuously.
Bryan Caplan tweet media
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