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@7uomoki

tuomo kiiskinen • md-phd • building ai-powered next gen health @Stanford • quant genomics x data sci x biomedicine

Palo Alto, CA Katılım Eylül 2022
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tuōmo@7uomoki·
I really enjoyed reading this and I highly recommend. It is a noteworthy dissection of "genetic determinism" and heritability, two concepts that are both largely misunderstood and falsely promoted on this platform. One thing I would like to still add: HIGH HERITABILITY DOES NOT EQUAL GENETIC DETERMINISM. This only strengthens the anti-determinism message of the article and the critique of the twin study design remains rock-solid valid, but we can easily go even further. The often overlooked point I want to dissect here is that even if heritability were high, it doesn't rule out interventions, existing or new to be discovered, that could have a definitive, even massive, effect on the trait, including changing the rank order of individuals. Dr. Bessis writes, "At 80% though... the game is mostly over" and "geniuses are born, not made". Let's see why this is not that simple! A genetic variant's contribution to population variance is a function of both its effect size and its frequency (Var ≈2pq*effect_size^2) where p is the effect allele frequency and q is the other allele frequency (q=1-p). The same logic applies to environment, although the universal additive model etc. simplifications that we can use for genetic factors do not apply. However, as the pq term (prevalence of intervention *1-prevalance of intervention) is a determinant of the total contribution, we can have: 1. a very rare "magic bullets" with huge effects. Let's assume that math skill capability heritability truly would be 0.80 (it is not as is thoroughly explained in the article). Would this make math skill a biological hardcoded entity, where "optionality has mostly vanished"? Consider a well-known magic bullet: going to École normale supérieure (ENS)... If 50 math students of an age cohort of 800,000 gets in, prevalence p≈0.00006. Let's assume ENS, in this toy example, given the high count of Fields medallists, is highly transformative and boosts math ability +5 SD. So the contribution of this binary variable ends up being, roughly: Var≈p*(1-p)*beta^2≈0.00006*1*5^2≈0.0015 Thus, the h2 estimate of math capabilities in France remain unchanged, we are still at h2=0.80 even when the effect is so huge that it completely even changes the rank order of ENS students and those that were genetically ahead of them (if they get in). 2. The "Universal Baseline" shifts: Everyone in France learns the fearless cognitive methods through reading Dr. Bessis's book. This results in the math ability of the entire French population shifting up by +6 SD (even better than ENS). An average person becomes what was before considered an extremely rare highly capable math wizard. The effect on heritability: Var≈1*0*6^2=0 Because everyone gets the intervention (p=1), environmental variance is zero. Thus, h2 still remains at 0.80, despite a huge environmental effect. So even if math h2 truly was 0.80, this doesn't actually destroy human agency. It just limits how COMMON large effect interventions can be, not how large they can be. 3. 50% prevalence scenario. Even when often thought as a hardcoded biological fact, heritability is not a fixed metric. If 50% of the population read the Bessis book, this would actually LOWER heritability of math skill dramatically. Let's walk through this! pre-Bessis state: Genetic variance=0.8 Environmental variance=0.2 Total variance= 1 --> heritability (h2) =0.80/1=0.80=80% Bessis intervention: p=0.5 q=1-p=0.5 effect size = +6 SD added variance (all environmental)=0.5*0.5*6^2 =0.25*36 = 9.0 post-Bessis state: Genetic variance = 0.8 Environmental = 0.2 + 9.0 = 9.2 Total variance = 0.8 + 9.2 = 10.0 New heritability (h2) = 0.8/10.0 = 0.08 = 8%. Thus not only did an environmental intervention here have a huge effect on the trait at hand, it also completely changed the heritability estimate. Thus, both misconceptions that many seem to have, especially here on X: 1. High heritability implies that a trait is genetically determined, hardcoded at the proteomic level, ruling out large environmental effects, 2. Heritability is a biological constant, have now been disproven by contradiction. Even if the examples above were hypothetical and exaggerated, real life examples, like administration of human growth hormone in childhood, where a huge effect environmental intervention exists for a highly heritable trait (h2 height is about 80%). Also take any functional high h2 trait and consider a random disability-causing accident.. etc etc. I really enjoyed reading the article, and this response is written only in purpose to strengthen your point! No need to eat your hat Dr Bessis. The Game is not Over. PS: I apologize if my barbarian attempts to use mathematics here make me look like a midwit; unfortunately I did not go to ENS. I was just inspired to be "fearless"!
David Bessis@davidbessis

What I found: not only is the slide misleading, but the whole trope around "twins separated at birth" being a viable scientific strategy is broken beyond repair. Full story here: davidbessis.substack.com/p/twins-reared…

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Eli
Eli@elkelk·
@7uomoki We should tell him
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François Fleuret
François Fleuret@francoisfleuret·
You would say that in term of speeding up the R&D, the coming 5y with AI will be equivalent to how many years without?
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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
@Dell @MatthewBerman @nikitabier wasn't there a rule or something here on X that automated/AI-generated replies should indicate that this is the case?
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Dell@Dell·
@MatthewBerman Shew THAT'S a setup 😍 The Dell Pro Max with GB300 was built for exactly this kind of work. With 750GB+ of unified memory, frontier‑scale LLMs make it feel right at home. Can’t wait to see what you run first!
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Matthew Berman
Matthew Berman@MatthewBerman·
.@nvidia hand delivered a pre-production unit of the @Dell Pro Max with GB300 to my house. 100lbs beast with 750GB+ of unified memory to power the best open-source models in the world. What should I test first?
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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
@hubermanlab @pmarca @davidsenra Thanks. I have found it sometimes crucial also in spotting and acknowledging the inward spiral, so one knows that it is time to stop. So some 'meta-introspection'.
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Andrew D. Huberman, Ph.D.
@7uomoki @pmarca @davidsenra I think for some, introspection is important. Even acts as rumble strips to avoid disastrous outcomes. For others it can cause an inward spiral. James Hollis nailed the balance beautifully. (He was a HLP guest). As did Paul Conti and others. As for when I chime in: when I choose.
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Andrew D. Huberman, Ph.D.
After listening to @pmarca’s take about the risks of founders taking psychedelics on the new @davidsenra podcast, it is official, we are now in the Dawn of the Age of AI-quarius.
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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
@sporadica haha "just take the L and move on" is basically his own advice but now he is deep in the rabbit hole of introspection ... "mmm...what did i actually mean???" :D
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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
@MindsAI_Jack exactly. related to my post... i also realized that neither can he claim that he actually is not butthurt or he destroys his own point :D :D
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Jack Cole
Jack Cole@MindsAI_Jack·
@7uomoki How would he know if he had any introspection or not?
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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
if he has zero introspection, how does he then know he is butthurt everytime he blocks people for posting his head online ?
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David Senra@davidsenra

Great men of history had little to no introspection. The personality that builds empires is not the same personality that sits around quietly questioning itself. @pmarca and I discuss what we both noticed but no one talks about: David: You don't have any levels of introspection? Marc: Yes, zero. As little as possible. David: Why? Marc: Move forward. Go! I found people who dwell in the past get stuck in the past. It's a real problem and it's a problem at work and it's a problem at home. David: So I've read 400 biographies of history’s greatest entrepreneurs and someone asked me what the most surprising thing I’ve learned from this was [and I answered] they have little or zero introspection. Sam Walton didn't wake up thinking about his internal self. He just woke up and was like: I like building Walmart. I'm going to keep building Walmart. I'm going to make more Walmarts. And he just kept doing it over and over again. Marc: If you go back 400 years ago it never would've occurred to anybody to be introspective. All of the modern conceptions around introspection and therapy, and all the things that kind of result from that are, a kind of a manufacture of the 1910s, 1920s. Great men of history didn't sit around doing this stuff. The individual runs and does all these things and builds things and builds empires and builds companies and builds technology. And then this kind of this kind of guilt based whammy kind of showed up from Europe. A lot of it from Vienna in 1910, 1920s, Freud and all that entire movement. And kind of turned all that inward and basically said, okay, now we need to basically second guess the individual. We need to criticize the individual. The individual needs to self criticize. The individual needs to feel guilt, needs to look backwards, needs to dwell in the past. It never resonated with me.

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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
@tunguz tbh, the lack of "data science"/"analysis"/"statistics" skills and knowledge in the AI community has surprised me.
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dar@radbackwards·
What’s the best mattress for getting great sleep? (Don’t hit Me with that 8 sleep bullshit either)
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Eli
Eli@elkelk·
Getting a Whoop has been awesome for improving my health. For example, I used to drink 12 beers close to bed time. Now, I drink 12 beers right when I wake up. Whoop shows this does not impact my sleep nearly as much.
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Zoe
Zoe@thecutestzoe·
@mohithegoat wait is this real or AI i cant tell
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Mohi
Mohi@mohithegoat·
Conor mcgregor is NEVER recovering from this bro 😭
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Wilson Ler
Wilson Ler@LerWilson·
@7uomoki Github's feed isn't very informative / useful for staying up to date with projects. You can filter by specific events though if you'd like
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tuōmo
tuōmo@7uomoki·
how do i block or mute users on github?
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@7uomoki I don't think they thought about this bro
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