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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@junkbondinvest If the sponsor writes a check, is it a default? Hence my point re: default rate predictions are just talking pieces. How do you classify every scenario?
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junkbondinvestor@junkbondinvest·
@AcaciaCap So the ‘27 software loan currently marked at par extends maturities and goes PIK but that’s no default?
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junkbondinvestor@junkbondinvest·
Every month someone publishes a higher default forecast. > Fitch: 5.8% actual > Morgan Stanley: 8% > UBS: 15% worst case Every month someone in the industry calls it irresponsible.
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@junkbondinvest My made-up prediction is core & upper middle market in line with where BSLs were the last couple years (3-5%) for this year and next. Lower middle market higher (5-8%) but with much worse recoveries. More service business bombs in the LMM. Assumes no recession or oil spike.
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@WaterworldCapi1 TSLA. Commodifying the cars and fragmented supply is good for UBER. They all won’t have independent demand
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@junkbondinvest @milken_cookies What does AI disrupted mean? Apollo owns Yahoo. They owned Redbox a few years ago. For cookies, the generic answer is you can’t assume more than 50% anymore. Stretched leverage, LMEs, etc
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Origo@origoinvest·
Serious Q What's the appeal in running an external SMA for Millenium? Yes you get a swing at some upside but isn't the whole point of agency to do away with the shackles?
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@jay_21_ There is no debate that is true if you are being honest, but this is the internet. No one is honest
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
Something reasonable and not hyperbolic on private equity and credit
Mojo@MrMojoRisinX

This is a work in process (call it a journal entry), but this is where my head is at re private equity, private credit, and whether or not there will be an actual recognizable cycle... If you are looking for a trading implication, it is early from my perch, it is selective, and it is not an asset class call. More on that here: x.com/MrMojoRisinX/s… Nobody Is Lying. That's the Problem: The debate over private market marks gets framed as a question of accuracy. That is the wrong frame. The real question is who has the standing, the incentive, and the mechanism to force a reckoning, and when. The answer to all three is: nobody, not yet, and maybe never cleanly. The reason is structural. The ecosystem includes the PE sponsor, private credit manager, BDC, auditor, and leverage provider, etc. Every one of them has asymmetric incentives that point toward deferral. The auditor signs off because GAAP allows fair value estimation using income approaches when comparables are deemed not directly applicable. The credit manager says the loan is current. The BDC says NAV is supported by discounted cash flow on performing assets. The bank continues to provide the leverage facility because the BDC hasn't breached its borrowing base. Everyone is technically correct. Nobody is lying. And the capital structure of the 2022 LBO is quietly underwater on an equity-value basis. The comp tables and stock charts say so. There is no mechanism to force that into the books. Two Different Questions: For private equity, the mark question is cosmetic in the short run. The LP gets a depressed quarterly NAV, doesn't love it, but the GP isn't selling so there is no realization event. The fund hasn't failed. The management fee runs on committed or invested capital, not NAV. The carry is impaired on paper but the GP is not writing a check back. The LP is locked up. Nobody forces the trade. For the BDC, the mark question has real-time consequences. The BDC is a public vehicle with a disclosed NAV, a leverage facility tied to that NAV, and shareholders who can sell. When a BDC trades at a 20% discount to NAV, the market is saying it doesn't believe the NAV. But not believing it and proving it are very different things. The board's valuation committee, advised by an independent third-party valuer, has blessed the marks. The auditor has signed off. The leverage provider hasn't accelerated. The BDC sits in a strange purgatory: the equity market has already priced the impairment, but the book hasn't moved. What Actually Breaks the Logjam: There are only a few forcing functions, and they operate on different timelines. The first is a payment default or PIK election on an underlying loan. The moment a borrower starts PIKing interest or misses a payment, the valuation committee has no choice but to move the mark, the auditor has no choice but to agree, and the leverage facility gets tested against a new borrowing base. This is the most direct trigger and the one everybody is working hardest to avoid, including the borrower, who is often getting help from the sponsor to stay current. The second is a leverage facility redetermination. Banks do periodic borrowing base reviews. If they tighten advance rates against certain asset categories, and they have been doing this quietly, then the BDC suddenly has less liquidity and has to either sell assets or reduce the facility. Selling performing assets at par while marking nothing else creates a contradiction the valuation committee can no longer explain away. The third is a portfolio company refinancing or sale process. Sponsors will sell the winners, the companies that performed and can clear at strong multiples, both to generate DPI and to demonstrate the fund is working. The weeds stay. Marked wrong, unlikely to be sold at a loss, and with no covenant or maturity pressure forcing the issue, they sit on the books indefinitely. The exits that do happen create comps on record for similar assets, but nobody is required to use them. The gap between realized prices on the good assets and carrying values on the bad ones widens quietly, and the bad ones never come to market to prove it. The Covenant-Lite Problem Is Deeper Than It Looks: The standard critique is that cov-lite loans removed the early warning system. True, but it understates the problem. Covenants were never primarily a restructuring tool. They were an information and renegotiation trigger that forced the borrower to the table before the hole got too deep. Without them, the creditor has no standing until cash stops flowing. Cov-lite combined with no amortization combined with PIK optionality creates a structure where a company can be economically insolvent on an enterprise-value basis for years while remaining technically current on all its obligations. Interest coverage might be 1.2x, but it's positive. The equity cushion might be negative on a comp-adjusted basis, but nobody has marked it that way officially. The company is performing. In any prior credit cycle, covenants would have fired, a restructuring would have happened, and the capital structure would have been right-sized. In this cycle, you can paper over it indefinitely as long as the business doesn't shrink. EA is a live illustration of this dynamic. Silver Lake and its consortium signed at a price the public comps have since moved well below. The debt will get syndicated, the business will perform, and if the broader software market recovers the credit looks fine in hindsight. Reflexivity works in both directions. What the EA situation actually illustrates is that there are three distinct outcomes in this environment: narrative compression that reverses, real fundamental deterioration that doesn't, and a third category where the rational move is to walk from the deal entirely. EA is in the first bucket. Not every deal is. Where This Goes: The most likely path is a slow-motion grind rather than a sharp dislocation. PE sponsors will start selectively realizing their winners both to generate DPI for LPs demanding distributions and to demonstrate the fund is working. This is already happening (look at lower middle market). The weeds stay on the books. BDC managers with dual roles in private credit and PE will face increasing shareholder pressure on the incentive structures. The conflict, where the BDC's slow liquidation damages the same portfolio the affiliated PE fund is managing, is becoming hard to ignore. Governance activists will push on it. They are commercial animals pursuing their own interests while performing concern for all holders. Credit quality bifurcation will widen. Large-cap, well-covered, sponsor-backed loans will stay performing. The middle market, where coverage is thinner and the equity cushion was smaller to begin with, will see the first real defaults. When a payment miss forces a mark in one lower middle market company, the contagion risk is sector-specific and real. Similar companies, similar sponsors, similar structures. The question is whether anyone in that chain is also missing payments. Then the macro does the rest. If rates stay elevated longer than the models assumed, if AI genuinely compresses multiples rather than temporarily suppressing them, if the revenue growth baked into 2020 to 2022 underwriting proves to have been a COVID pull-forward rather than a structural step-change, then the earnings power assumptions holding the marks in place become increasingly difficult to defend. Not that anyone will be asked to defend them. The system has been engineered so that no single party has the standing or incentive to force the issue. What breaks it is the accumulation of realized exits, tightened borrowing bases, and middle market defaults that collectively make the existing marks indefensible. That process is already underway. It just doesn't have a name yet. There are other mechanisms worth noting. Continuation funds, insider buying patterns at both the manager and BDC level, LP secondary market discounts, dividend recaps, and the insurance capital channel into private credit all deserve their own analysis. We chose not to go deep on any of them here. What matters for this argument is that every one of them is another way to mask the same problem, extend the timeline, or obscure the gap between book and market. None of them change the structure of what we are describing.

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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@boazweinstein Than your tender if an investor wanted immediate liquidity. OWL management clearly screwed up their liquidity planning for this fund. My issue is the continued misinformation on this site and people who should know better amplifying that nonsense.
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@boazweinstein I agree your tender did not start this. This started when media and social media started blaming private credit for defaults / frauds they are not involved in and then stoking fear with the OBDC merger, which let’s be honest, the 20% discount is less leakage…
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boaz weinstein@boazweinstein·
I’m genuinely interested in everyone’s thoughts. IMHO, what’s stoking fear @AcaciaCap isn’t our bid but the massive declines in everything from OTF, TCPC, FSK, OXLC, BPRE, the tripling of outflows for Cliffwater and Blue Owl, the frauds, the rise in bad PIK, the mis-labeling of Saas, the embellishment of what portion of the portfolios are true 1L, and a whole lot more. Saba is bidding at a smaller discount then many public BDCs. When leverage adjusted, and less manager fees (alpha is the right word only if it follows ‘negative’), and NAVs that are somewhere between wrong and very wrong, I think it’s a strong bid. If someone has a higher bid, let them show it.
James Lovely@jimmyfpe

@darren_unruh @LeylaKuni @boazweinstein Holders in OTF (via merger as owners of Blue Owl Technology Finance Corp II) got shafted. Post merger OTF listed but minority shareholders locked up and still locked up substantially as price went from $17.15 to ~$11.

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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@LeylaKuni So the issue is they waited until the end of the fund life instead of predicting a market sell off? If they did that wouldn’t most investors held the public shares and experienced the same sell-off / NAV discount. There were not massive redemptions in this fund earlier In 2025
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Leyla@LeylaKuni·
@AcaciaCap they should have attempted merging when OBDC was trading at NAV
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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
She yells when they try to give investors liquidity because public markets are 20% discount to NAV. Now she says 20% wasn’t so bad. She complains that they sold assets to repay investors. What should they be doing?
Leyla@LeylaKuni

This one is an interesting case study on what the price of liquidity is. For background: OBDC II attempted a merger with OBDC late last year. Long story, but investors in OBDC II would have taken a 20% haircut (the merger was cancelled) The fund manager is now guiding to fund liquidation (but keep in mind, the verbiage in SEC filings is pretty open) The fund sold $600M in loans (the crown jewels of the portfolio), and is making a distribution of about 30% to all investors. Enter Saba/Cox with their tender offer (~33% discount to NAV) for ~7% of outstanding shares. According to Blue Owl: "Cox and Saba's offer price is inadequate, arbitrary and substantially undervalues OBDC II's assets and ongoing access to liquidity." LOL Three things here: 1. the remaining portfolio is not all unicorns and roses 2. the offer is voluntary - meaning, investors who want to stay in the fund don't have to sell at this price 3. I bet the 20% discount to NAV via merger with OBDC (which, again, didn't happen) is looking fairly attractive in retrospect.. I did the math to estimate the value of the remaining assets (and see what investors stand to gain - or lose - by staying in the fund vs. tendering the offers) You can read it here: open.substack.com/pub/accredited…

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Fiscal Daddy@FiscalDaddy·
@AcaciaCap They should hang it up and stop trying to dump this garbage in 401Ks
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Darren Unruh@darren_unruh·
@LeylaKuni Not sure how this will turn out, but @boazweinstein is doing God’s work holding others accountable for egregious capital allocation and fiduciary duty.
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Leyla@LeylaKuni·
This one is an interesting case study on what the price of liquidity is. For background: OBDC II attempted a merger with OBDC late last year. Long story, but investors in OBDC II would have taken a 20% haircut (the merger was cancelled) The fund manager is now guiding to fund liquidation (but keep in mind, the verbiage in SEC filings is pretty open) The fund sold $600M in loans (the crown jewels of the portfolio), and is making a distribution of about 30% to all investors. Enter Saba/Cox with their tender offer (~33% discount to NAV) for ~7% of outstanding shares. According to Blue Owl: "Cox and Saba's offer price is inadequate, arbitrary and substantially undervalues OBDC II's assets and ongoing access to liquidity." LOL Three things here: 1. the remaining portfolio is not all unicorns and roses 2. the offer is voluntary - meaning, investors who want to stay in the fund don't have to sell at this price 3. I bet the 20% discount to NAV via merger with OBDC (which, again, didn't happen) is looking fairly attractive in retrospect.. I did the math to estimate the value of the remaining assets (and see what investors stand to gain - or lose - by staying in the fund vs. tendering the offers) You can read it here: open.substack.com/pub/accredited…
Bloomberg@business

A Blue Owl fund is urging investors to reject a share purchase offer led by Boaz Weinstein’s Saba, saying the offer price is too low bloomberg.com/news/articles/…

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Acacia Capital@AcaciaCap·
@IlliquidInsight The mix of industries is different, but yes multiples went up until 2021. Down slightly since, nut mix is much more weighted to services and software
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Illiquid Insights@IlliquidInsight·
Private equity has gotten harder. The median PE buyout multiple was 11.8x in 2025 (McKinsey). It was 8.5x a decade ago. More money is chasing the same deals. Entry multiples are up, returns are down.
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