@Openside77tkj @Brendennel Munster and ulster can collectivly stat pad wins against the italian teams, dragons and Zebre tho. The prem only has Newcastle for that
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@AdamCla86997443 @Brendennel OFC when you get a diluted comp & 8 teams in that comp makes sense get more teams in knockouts.
Yet haven't won it in a while & teams w/4 wins shouldn't be anywhere near the CC.
Munster & Ulster have more than double those win totals & 1 of them won't make CC.
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If we are going to ahve a conversation about the Champions Cup it is worth mentioning Gloucester, who have won 4 games out of 15 in this year's prem, will qualify as the 8th team out of 10 in the English prem.
And some people say SA teams devalue the Cup.
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@denismu30264881 @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel No but a couple of 70s. Been a long time since the last 90 point one in the prem too
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@AdamCla86997443 @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel Yes, 6 is greater than four, but four different winners in four years is still a varied competition no?
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@denismu30264881 @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel I suggest you scroll through this seasons top 14 results. More 50/60 plus scorelines than the prem this season
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@WillDevEdwards @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel 4 different winners is less than 6 isn't it?
Think if we prompted the top 6 from the champ and had as many games teams like Gloucester and Quins would probably pick up as many wins as the 8th places URC side does. Thing is 9th placed Quins have knocked out URC playoff teams
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@AdamCla86997443 @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel Far less varied? The URC has had four different winners in the last four years and teams actually try for eighth place rather than stumbling to 3rd from bottom for the same CC spot.
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@denismu30264881 @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel There have been a fair few blow outs in both the URC in Top 14 too or are we just ignoring that?
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@AdamCla86997443 @Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel There's been 8 results this year that have seen teams conced over 60 points. Last night, a team conceded 90
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@edwards_callum @Brendennel There are also similar cases of English teams sending weakend teams which would fall in favour of the other leagues too. Clearly they're not as good at capitilising
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@AdamCla86997443 @Brendennel Not really, lot of things have to fall in to place. For example, Stormers sent a really really weakened team to Quins once, and when French teams know they won’t qualify they also send weakened teams. That falls in favour to English teams .
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@edwards_callum @Brendennel Says a lot about the teams from the URC and Top 14 who can't make it out the pool then dosn't it if they're worse than that
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@AdamCla86997443 @Brendennel The biggest score lines in knockout rugby history are involving Prem teams.
Bordeaux 64 Tigers 14
Toulouse 59 Bears 26
Leinster 43 Sale 13
Toulon 72 Saracens 42
Leinster 62 Quins 0
Glasgow 43 Tigers 19
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@Fvdeventer123 @Brendennel 6 different winners in 6 years. France and the URC far less varied and far less competitive as compertions
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@adrian_slabbert And yet the prem has consistently got more teams into the knockouts than both the URC and Top 14.....
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Good point. Prem deserves fewer teams in the Champions Cup!
Gloucester have been a shambles this season
Brenden Nel ⚒@Brendennel
If we are going to ahve a conversation about the Champions Cup it is worth mentioning Gloucester, who have won 4 games out of 15 in this year's prem, will qualify as the 8th team out of 10 in the English prem. And some people say SA teams devalue the Cup.
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@VenterGabriel @edwards_callum They have the same amount of teams in the comp as both the URC and top 14???
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@AdamCla86997443 @edwards_callum Feels a bit odd to take credit for having the most teams in playoffs when you have the most teams in the competition no?
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They are all quality teams but logistically a nightmare for everyone involved.
Cup needs a serious revamp, starting with how 8/10 teams from the Prem qualify?
Whilst arguably better URC and T14 teams play in the Challenge Cup.
Times Sport@TimesSport
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@edwards_callum If a team is losing places in the comp why is it the comp which is providing the most teams to the knockouts?
Top 5 from each league and best in challenege
Leaves 21 extras from the 3 leagues and then a team from Georgia, Portugal and Spain for the challenge
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@AdamCla86997443 My idea
6- Prem Teams
8-T14
8-URC
2 extra places for winner of Challenge Cup and awarded to the league of whoever wins Champions Cup
If winner of Challenge Cup has qualified then next best ranked in the same league.
This is taking into account amount of teams each league has
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@edwards_callum I don't disagree. I think the comp needs slimming down. But it needs slimming down from all three leagues not just one imo.
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@AdamCla86997443 Competition structure allowing top 4 + 5th placed challenge cup is ridiculous too.
It should be Top 2 pool leaders heading straight into 1/4 finals. 3rd place can go challenge cup.
This competition needs to be the pinnacle and can’t be when you allow basically a full league in
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@RugbyInsideLine Not really. Quins will just loan players elsewhere instead.
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🃏 You'd think this must be on the minds of many in SW London.
Important for Quins that Scottish stay up...
Sam Roberts@SamRobertsComms
Holy moly! Developments here ⬇️ I’ve had it confirmed: there is a loophole. Either champ team can draft in certain players on short term loan as injury cover. I understand London Scottish have injuries. 💥‼️🤪
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@OMG_ITS_NDABA @T2Rugby I obviously don't thinl Kolbe is a bad player.
However this does kinda prove he was playing well below standard in previous seasons
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@Slipcatch I don't think it's good i just don't think it's bad. It wasn't any different to how other players from either side behaved. It was a whole non event which has been made one because of who Pollock is
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So there is so called rugby people on here that reckons Henry Pollock behavior of the weekend is good for rugby.
It is okay, it is your right to believe so.
Our rugby culture is so different.
The Newlands crowd in the old days, those standing in front of the main pavilion and behind the poles, they would have teach him rugby culture. 🤣
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@2022Colm @JoeNaConnacht Is this satire? We're 9th. I'm not sure he's added anything
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@JoeNaConnacht Judging from recent Quins performances, we'll be close to world beaters.
Benson in great form, Marcus Smith, Luke Northmore, Cadan Murley and he's managed to get young Bryn Bradley in with Wales
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Here he is — Gerard Mullen
Heard a lot of good things about him. Chatting to a few people over the weekend, they rate him very highly,
The lack of tries from the 10–15 is the weakest part of Connacht Rugby’s game in the URC, so hopefully we start to see real improvement.
Joe Naughton@JoeNaConnacht
Really positive rumours about a new backs/skills coach for Connacht, great to see young Irish talented coaches coming west. I’d imagine there will be announcement soon.
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@UghEffortOfThis Carley isn't bad. The Georgian is awful anyways
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I genuinely dont know which is worse
How have these not gone to Luke Pearce and Nika Amashukeli????
Cian Tracey@CianTracey1
Karl Dickson will referee next week’s Champions Cup final between Bordeaux and Leinster in Bilbao. Matthew Carley will referee the Challenge Cup final between Montpellier and Ulster.
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