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Kevin A. Bryan

@Afinetheorem

Assoc. Prof. of Strategy, U Toronto Rotman | Chief Economist, CDL Toronto | Co-Founder, AllDayTA | Ars longa, vita brevis, occasio praeceps (especially now)

Toronto, ON, Canada Katılım Şubat 2015
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Josh Barro
Josh Barro@jbarro·
@MattZeitlin I dunno, I think we just need an abundance agenda for experiences. These things can scale — look how many concert residency seats Las Vegas has added in the last 20 years. With different policy, Colorado could have way more skiable acres and hotel rooms. Etc etc
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@BrianCAlbrecht Not a critique of you guys at all! I really like what you did here! I was just surprised until I thought about it for a minute that the introductory point - casual effects are not counterfactuals - is somehow not understood by a huge fraction of recently trained social scientists
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Brian Albrecht
Brian Albrecht@BrianCAlbrecht·
@Afinetheorem We’ve definitely gotten “everyone knows this” as a response. I’m not sure that’s true but maybe it’s directionally true. We are still hoping it’s worthwhile to be explicit about the boundary
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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
Very nice but also: do non-IO folks not know diff between casual effect and counterfactual? Not the same thing, how they are identified are not the same, and "mostly harmless" strategies generally only give you the first. If you don't know why, that is your reading for tomorrow!
Brian Albrecht@BrianCAlbrecht

"Abduction and the Demand Curve" A new paper with @EconTraina The demand curve is the most basic object in economics. Hold everything else fixed, change the price, see what happens. Ceteris paribus. Day one stuff. Okay, maybe day 3. But what does "everything else" include? Unobserved quality, local tastes, recent advertising. Things the econometrician doesn't see. A market's demand curve holds those fixed. Now suppose you run a randomized experiment. Set a price, observe quantity, repeat. You've eliminated confounding. You have a causal effect. We love experiments. Perfect. Right? Right? Are these the same things? This maybe isn't well-known outside of IO, but the answer is no. When they aren't, what are you supposed to do? This paper connects the experimental literature with the structural IO demand estimation literature to make clear the interplay . In the experiment, you've averaged over all those unobserved conditions. You know what happens on average across markets when you set a price. You don't know what happens in THIS market, with THIS unobserved quality, at that price. The experiment gives the average demand response. Policy happens in a specific market. Two markets produce the same quantity at the same price. An experiment can't tell them apart. But at any other price, they diverge. The demand curve is a market-specific object. So what bridges the gap? Good ole' Berry (1994_ inversion. You observe a market's shares, prices, and characteristics. Inversion recovers the unobserved demand index, the δ*, that rationalizes what you see. It pins down WHERE on the demand function this particular market sits. Prior work treats this as a computational convenience. Berry (1994, p. 249) compares it to "taking logarithms of observed data." Berry and Haile (2021, p. 40) call it a "trick." They leave as an open question what happens when invertibility fails, "perhaps involving partial identification." We answer. Without inversion, even price-only counterfactuals are set-identified. The trick is not optional. Inversion is not just sufficient but necessary for recovering market-specific counterfactuals. But when exactly do you need it? Berry and Haile (2021) say experiments "generally" don't identify demand. Angrist, Graddy, and Imbens (2000) showed that when demand differs across markets beyond an additive shift, IVs identify a weighted average of derivatives, not any single market's response. Imbens even reiterates the point in his Nobel lecture. We first make "generally" exact beyond the linear case of AGI (2000). We characterize precisely when the experimental average price response equals every market's demand slope (if and only if additive separability holds, a knife-edge that every standard discrete-choice model violates). So outside of that case, what are we to do? That hasn't stopped IO economists. Are they just making stuff up? No! Berry inversion baby! Along the way, we can make a few more connections. @yudapearl asked whether ceteris paribus demand can even be formally defined in counterfactual language. We do that. The demand curve is the unit-level counterfactual Q_p(u) for a market with realized conditions held fixed. We also show the connection to Pearl's causal hierarchy. Experiments give Rung 2 (causal). The demand curve is a Rung 3 object (counterfactual). There's generically a gap between them. Berry inversion is what is called abduction in SCM to move between those rungs. The econometrics and CS frameworks are saying the same thing, and the demand curve is the natural, well-developed setting to see it.

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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
I don't know where this term came from but it didn't come from economists studying inequality, that's for sure.
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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
On untrue things that when widely believed make people upset: no such thing as the "K shaped economy" in the US. Inequality by essentially every measure hasn't changed in a quarter century. Wages at the bottom are up a lot since COVID. What you are noticing is growing wealth...
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And this is empirically true! Especially when the product is B2B or involves competing in a tough incumbent industry. My go-to is to ask young founders for a credible answer to "why don't existing firms do this already?" You have to know! And there can be good responses...
Paul Graham@paulg

This is one of several reasons you shouldn't drop out of (or skip) college to start a startup at 18. Founders who do that tend to match the second paragraph rather than the first, because they haven't had time to have the "earned insight" he describes.

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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
@auyonomous Fair! It might be better to complain about how the San Jose metro refuses to build anything (how can the center of the global economy have such a small airport? I get that SFO is there but....)
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Auyon Siddiq
Auyon Siddiq@auyonomous·
@Afinetheorem Despite the proximity to tech HQs, San Jose functions more like a regional airport. No direct to e.g. Boston either
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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
@dmalcolmcarson @mattyglesias I do not think this is true at all. Too long to explain in a tweet but: university education average net cost is the lowest its been in two decades, US homeownership remains higher than in the 70s and 80s, etc. On public services: we just spend a lot on old age support now.
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D. Malcolm Carson
D. Malcolm Carson@dmalcolmcarson·
It also starts later, the 70's were a period of decline, with an upward trends starting in 1980. I'm not saying that people haven't benefitted, but just that the argument has to be made. It can't just be, "wow, look at all of these successful companies founded by immigrants". I do think it's very disappointing that for a variety of reasons, a lot of the wealth created by the economy over the past 50 years hasn't really shown up (yet?) as broad-based improvements in quality of life. Contrary to @mattyglesias "taxes", I don't see anyone really arguing that public services and infrastructure are better. Nobody's arguing that housing affordability has gotten better. Wages are on average better than anywhere else, but the higher wages in that average often require higher levels of educational debt and residence in higher cost of living areas, so for a lot of people, it hasn't manifested as improvements in quality of life. These new immigrant-founded/fueled corporations aren't "civic" in the way that wealthy corporations of prior eras were and in the way that wealthy corporations in other places are. They just aren't. And I'm not sure that's entirely coincidental.
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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
Two kinds of people in the world. Those that believe like LKY that US econ dominance is based on being able to hire world's most ambitious, smartest people in a meritocratic space, and those that think if their friend worked at Google instead, US firms would still be dominant.
Mickey Kaus@kausmickey

For whom?

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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
@JesseLucasSaga Oh yes, the cartoon character profile picture and the retweeting of Nazi-linked AI images has me convinced you and your friends are on the cutting edge of productivity.
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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
@Noahpinion Ah, I misread it (and I think another person replying to you did also) as someone who has spent their career working in China since 1976.
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Kevin A. Bryan@Afinetheorem·
An understanding of the nature of historic and continuing Human Progress, and an understanding that random anonymous negative-affect online accounts should be completely ignored on any topic, are the keys to happiness and growth in the 2020s.
Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesias

Turning to the astute public opinion analysis of "Roman Helmet Guy" to reach the conclusion that the only available options are stark binary in which tech entrepreneurs must embrace braindead nativism or else be murdered.

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@rupasubramanya The ethnic bans on immigration are of course fine to apologize for. But Maru was also related to the fact that folks on the boat were literally coming to organize a rebellion against British rule, and worked with Germans in WW1 to that effect. Of course the British were opposed!
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Rupa Subramanya
Rupa Subramanya@rupasubramanya·
It’s odd seeing a police constable, someone whose actual job is enforcing the rule of law, present the Komagata Maru solely as a story of innocent passengers cruelly denied entry, with no acknowledgment that the passengers were deliberately challenging Canada’s immigration laws. Under Trudeau we’ve basically had entire planeloads of Komagata Marus for several years. Today, a Komagatu Maru would hopefully be turned away. You can oppose racism and racial discrimination and still believe countries have a right to control their borders. Those ideas are not contradictory. These passengers were not fleeing genocide or persecution in the way Jewish refugees later were during the 1930s and 1940s. They were British subjects asserting what they believed were mobility rights within the British Empire. I've been saying this for years, the Komagata Maru story has increasingly hardened into a kind of unquestionable national morality tale like the mass graves. And for what it's worth, no one in India even knows or cares about this. But of course, count on naive and earnest Canadians to make this into something which it's not.
Chief Constable Steve Rai@VPDChiefRai

Today, we remember the passengers of the Komagata Maru and reflect on a painful chapter in Canadian history. In 1914, 376 passengers seeking opportunity and a better life arrived in Vancouver Harbour, only to be denied entry because of discriminatory immigration policies. Forced to remain aboard the ship for two months under difficult conditions, they were ultimately turned away. The boat returned to India and many of the passengers were imprisoned or killed. The incident remains a powerful reminder of the harm caused by prejudice and discrimination, and the importance of building communities grounded in respect and equal treatment for all.

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@Afinetheorem Couple months later (sorry, I suck at Twitter) and I'm coming around to accepting AI is a great tool even for legal services, people just don't yet know how to use it responsibly.
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D. Malcolm Carson
D. Malcolm Carson@dmalcolmcarson·
@Afinetheorem @mattyglesias Yes that's a decent case to make. But through it all real wages didn't increase, whereas housing price, tuition, health care, etc., did massively. So does it net out as a positive for most people?
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@dmalcolmcarson @mattyglesias Yes. And moreso, many Americans work at these leading firms. Or at their suppliers. Or building the houses folks at those firms live in. And on and on and on.
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D. Malcolm Carson@dmalcolmcarson·
@Afinetheorem The issue is what does "US econ dominance" have to do with quality of life for U.S. citizens? @mattyglesias cites "taxes". Is there a single realm of tax-funded public services or infrastructure that has improved in the U.S. over the past several decades?
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Ethan Mollick
Ethan Mollick@emollick·
It makes many online spaces intolerable. If I want to talk to ChatGPT or Claude, I'll just talk to ChatGPT or Claude, I don't need to talk to ChatGPT and Claude pretending to be DoofWarrior123 on X with mediocre prompts.
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