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The Descent of Man by Kwame Amuah Ph.D.

@Teksun64 @LibertyCappy They started using it during the Apollo program, although it was a hybrid mix in usage.

@AfricanFuture26 @LibertyCappy Fir the last 30 years.

Just saying

@cucu_eric @Szietar @SamanthaTaghoy If you don't think the idea is a good one, feel free to do so. I personally think there are better ideas. It is nevertheless best to try to understanding what people are actually saying.

@AfricanFuture26 @Szietar @SamanthaTaghoy You're a fucking idiot

“Water, soil, and oxygen should not be infinitely accessible. They are assets that should be included in global economic balance sheets.” This is not satire. The World Economic Forum wants to monetise breathing.

@TheAstroChrist @SamanthaTaghoy *is supposed to...

@VorpalBlade42 @tomhfh @grok ?

@tomhfh Modern neocolonial policy in Africa is a continuation of that colonial lineage. How many democratically elected leaders have been assassinated by the west in the time since independence?

How long after colonisation will it take for people to accept that African poverty today is due to African policy today, not the colonial status of the countries sixty year ago? Other countries - colonised or otherwise - used the last half century in completely different ways.

@B1tchfrmMercury @TThurlkill @NastPlays @SamanthaTaghoy If they are owned by the communities that need them, then yes. And by oxygen, we are talking about oxygen producing systems, such as trees and microalgae. We are not talking about the atmosphere.

@AfricanFuture26 @TThurlkill @NastPlays @SamanthaTaghoy You want air to have ownership. Think about that for a second.

@SystemEng_meta @3piecesofcake @SamanthaTaghoy Converting ocean water to drinkable water and piping it to people's homes requires energy, which is also scarce and has a cost. Also, water is not the only resource that can be depleted.

@AfricanFuture26 @3piecesofcake @SamanthaTaghoy there is. but not with capitalism. we have an ocean that even if everyone could take gallons it wouldnt end i dont think there's a world where human would populate to a trillion. we self engineer, like today. we decide to population/ depopulate based on current conditions

@fizzaroti Can you explain what you mean by this?

This is the logical conclusion to degrowth nonsense

@SystemEng_meta @3piecesofcake @SamanthaTaghoy To clarify, as resources get scarce they would eventually have to be rationed. There is no sustainable world where billions of people can just use them freely without limits.

@AfricanFuture26 @3piecesofcake @SamanthaTaghoy alot of people are also dying from the monetization of food and water. food will rot whether its consumed or not. food will rot whether there's human life consuming it or not. food will grow whether humans consume it or not

@3piecesofcake @SamanthaTaghoy A lot of people already pay for food and water. Sometimes in intervals. They also collectively waste billions of tons of food a year because the real costs aren't priced in. If stocks of resources get depleted, you would get something worse than a subscription economy.

@AfricanFuture26 @SamanthaTaghoy It was not taken out of context. At the end of the day, monetising resources like air (even by pretending that it's to limit resource mismanagement) will help promote the subscription economy that the rich want. This only hurts the little man, while companies/rich earn even more.

@Szietar @SamanthaTaghoy Sure. If you buy a table made of wood, that wood was a tree that was producing oxygen and would have produced more had it not been cut down and processed. An ecological economist may say that this cost in oxygen should be priced into the cost of the table.

@AfricanFuture26 @SamanthaTaghoy Agreed. So the initial post is an accurate summary. And if you follow the logic all the way through and you factor in all the nature required to produce goods, then end up charging consumers for oxygen

@TThurlkill @NastPlays @SamanthaTaghoy No. Ideally I would want these things owned by social cooperatives, but that is not realistic at this time. I am willing to be convinced of the next best thing.

@AfricanFuture26 @NastPlays @SamanthaTaghoy So you want government to own it.

@Szietar @SamanthaTaghoy Yes. Consumers are not paying the true cost of these goods, so there is no market signal for them to conserve those resources. The alternative is that those resources get depleted in a few decades.

@AfricanFuture26 @SamanthaTaghoy Not so much as a misquote than a paraphrase cos wouldn't bringing nature into balance sheets simply result in consumers having to pay for that nature?

@12edwood79 @SamanthaTaghoy How is what she said "anti human"?

@AfricanFuture26 @SamanthaTaghoy We know exactly what she is saying. It's the same anti human bs Paul Erhlich spewed for the 60 years before he died. These people never tire of being wrong.

@NastPlays @SamanthaTaghoy Ecological economists have been saying things like this for decades and many billionaire capitalists have been ignoring it for decades. This is nothing new.

@AfricanFuture26 @SamanthaTaghoy Regardless of what she intended to say or how she meant for it to come across, you know some billionaire capitalist type either will hear or has already heard this and wonder how they could make oxygen a privately owned, for profit product.

@soy_muse Obviously they want the data.

Not enough people question why AI is free

In Germany, there are laws which require partial worker control of companies of a specific size (codetermination laws, works councils). There are also strong unions which negotiate with business associations mediated by the government. This is called tripartite negotiation. These are corporatist decision making structures which are weak to non existent in capitalist countries like the US and they produce different results. Now if you want a simple model of economic reality, you can try to fit everything into your Capitalism vs Communism sliding scale (less capitalist, more capitalist), but then you won't really understand what is going on or why things happens as they do.

@AfricanFuture26 @BlakeHer_on @Bitcoin_Teddy They are capitalist, deal with it. The owners control their private property.

For all the morons who say capitalism doesn’t work

@MsTikq @BlakeHer_on @Bitcoin_Teddy Again, not really. There is Liberalism (e.g. market capitalism), Socialism and Corporatism. All of these have different ideas of how economies work and different policy recommendations. Germany and the Nordic countries are Democratic Corporatist.

@AfricanFuture26 @BlakeHer_on @Bitcoin_Teddy They are capitalist countries. And thankfully no country in Europe has been socialist for over 30 years, not since the fall of the USSR and the Eastern Bloc. I am sure you would have loved that, though, all that poverty and shortages, maybe even famines.