Alex Perring

@ymxljf @ademir2z Ahh no my bad he is in the team of the tournament, seemed strange. Fun little toy that!

@ymxljf @ademir2z sofascore does!! Zidane is rated highly in 1998, but isnt in the team of the tournament due to limited games but the final and vs italy put him high. In 2006 he rated 30th. Cool that sofascore did that! But I also wouldnt take the rating too seriously! #id:1151" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">sofascore.com/tournament/foo…

Zidane’s a player where I have a strong opinion so different to most people that I sometimes doubt myself so I often watch clips like this when people post them. He doesn’t create one clear cut chance in this game.

@ymxljf @ademir2z Its the players who played analysing their victory in the cup its complementary to zidane. Its just to try and give you a vibe to what it was back then. The 98 stuff is very well estabished. The lack of nuance, and reverting to he was super amazing, undermines your arguement.

@Al_Perring @ademir2z I won’t read a post from 2018, it’s simply revisionism. Show me an article from 1998, match to match analysis. That would be more trusted than this. Anything beyond is revisionism

@ymxljf @ademir2z Zidane was like that. A big reason he didn't win more ballon d'ors (only in the top 3 three times I believe) despite clearly being the best footballer in terms of ability. He has benefited from the fact back then less games were fully shown.

@ymxljf @ademir2z Because consistency and peak arw different concepts that mean different thing. Being a Madrid fan in the 2000s and a Juventus fan in the 90s you would see a fair amount of inconsistency. He could be invisible, or just have a few moments. Or he could completely dominate a game.

@ymxljf @ademir2z These are decontextualised clips but also underperforming doesnt not mean bad. Some of the players on that tournament knew zidane was underperforming. Guivarc'h: "Until the final, it is true that he hadn't been at his total best in the tournament." espn.com/soccer/story/_…

@Al_Perring @ademir2z Well someone already posted some videos before the final which proves my point. He was elite before the final but red card messed it up x.com/foyjhn/status/…

@ymxljf @ademir2z Yes because scoring is not the principle role of a midfielder. Contemporarily to zidane I would say Nedved, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes and Seedorf were all remarkably consistent players in a more attacking roles. None close to as good as zidane mind.

@Al_Perring @ademir2z What does consistent midfielder mean? I am sure the guys you are talking about never scored in big games or finals lol So it’s easy for u to judge them and say they are consistent because they never reached the same peak as Zidane

@ymxljf @ademir2z Rather than going tit for tat. Watch the games. They are widely available online these days.

@ymxljf @ademir2z No. He was widely considered to have been underperfoming. The french media were quite critical. It didnt matter though. He won france their first world cup. Thruam was frances best player that tournament. Even without that crazy game against croatia.

@ymxljf @ademir2z Erm can you read what I've written. We absolutely agree on that.

@Al_Perring @ademir2z A midfielder doesn’t need to score to prove he is the best or to prove he had a great match This is where ur problem is.

@ymxljf @ademir2z Not really. Plenty of very consistent midfielders. Though number 10 is a role that can be inconsistent. It would be very strange for someone as good as Zidane to be benched. We are talking about an extremely high water mark! Gerrard is inferior but was also never benched!

@Al_Perring @ademir2z Like I said. His hot or cold is still better than any midfielder in history Every passes go through him, from the build up, orchestration, link up play and he did that consistently. There was no time he got benched for being poor, so ur definition of being consistent is flawed

@ymxljf @ademir2z 1998 is also a great example. He was fine before the final but largly underperfomed, but showed up when it mattered in the final. There is a reason in 98 he wasn't in the top three for the golden ball. Euro 2000 was probably his best tournament.

@ymxljf @ademir2z No it wasnt. What he did against brazil was incredible. He was good against Spain and Portugal too, though I thought Spain were unlucky to lose. In the group stages he was poor though, france were lucky to get through. Blth for Juve and Real Madrid he would blow hot and cold.

@ymxljf @ademir2z For me he was the purest footballer I've ever watched. Absolutely love zidane. But people tend to ignore that he could blow hot and cold, particularly at club level. But he tended to show up when it mattered and that counts a lot. I agree goals and assists miss the point tho.

@ymxljf @ademir2z I think Zidane is right belloe the top teir. Not because he didnt creatw ebough but because he was quite inconsistent. 2006 is a great example. Was poor inthe group stages. But against Brazil, and generally the knock out stages, phenomenal.

@tombennett71 Having said that as a skill, it can't be taught deviod of context. In education it is more about how you assess work and rewarding critical thinking for better assesment marks. Well done essays promote critical thinking. Memorisation based tests do not.

@tombennett71 Critical thinking is about questioning assumptions. People can claim what they want. Domain knowledge is required to apply that thinking into the corrext context. But it's a different thing. Its a proccess that does not require domain specific knowledge.

You cannot teach critical thinking. You can teach domain specific expertise, which enables you to think critically about that domain. Brilliant chess players do not make great military commanders. More problematically, people who think they have great critical thinking skills are often the ones who get hoodwinked by any fashionable idea, because they lack the domain expertise to interrogate nonsense.

@ademir2z Not through moments but rather often totally dominating opposition midfeilds. Stats don't do this justice. I sometimes feel if zidane came from an academy today he would be played further back. Maybe the concept of "press resistant midfielder" would modern proxy of what he was.

@ademir2z I agree to an extent. Zidane was a natural footballer. And sometimes people do over value his imput or mainly he wasn't the most consistent. But he was actually about creating chances in an obvious way. His influence was his ability to take games by the scruff of the neck