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@AllenBogarty
Old Butthead from “Beavis and Butthead”
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@Goatmuse77 @CoreyB08 Poor argument regarding efficiency since you can take their best X # of routes stretch and Gronk will absolutely blow Kelce out.
If you favor longevity over peak, totally reasonable position to have though. Both have a legitimate argument for GOAT
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@AllenBogarty @CoreyB08 Which longevity is a factor in the GOAT debate, and I’m not gonna knock Kelce out as a worse receiver because of efficiency charts, which favors a shorter career like Gronk’s
Kelce’s sustained success at the position with an insanely higher career EPA make it easy for me
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Correct one is a WR who occasionally lines up at TE.
The other is the greatest TE of all time who didn’t pretend to be a TE while lining up 60% of their career at WR
Hope this helps
Daily Chiefs@Daily_Chiefs_
Travis Kelce has been dominating for years while Gronk has been retired 🔥 Gronk played one possession of flag football and pulled his hamstring 😅 These 2 do NOT belong in the same conversations 👀😈
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@theonlydyl_ Using counting stats like a casual lmao.
Hilarious that you think I’m a Pats/Brady stan too — ironically revealing your own bias there.
The Brady GOAT discussion parallel you’re trying to draw is very dumb
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@AllenBogarty The Goat conversation stops when Kelce accumulated 9,000 yards after Gronks first retirement.
Y’all say screw longevity for Gronk then say Brady is the GOAT because of longevity. It’s just hilarious how biased yall are. 💀
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Just a reminder availability is the best ability.
Gronk retired for the first time at 29 years old while Kelce has accumulated 9,102 yards and 60 touchdowns since he was 29.
It’s not close. There is no argument to this statement, because it is fact not opinion.
Corey B@CoreyB08
Just a reminder one is a WR who they call a TE The other is the greatest TE that actually lined up more at TE than WR in their career Also one player was targeted at the knees constantly because it was the only way of humanly stopping him the other is a really good WR pretending to be a TE
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@milehighami Add to that potentially the best post-snap processing of all time — which imo largely can’t be trained and is the most important trait for a QB
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mf is 6'4 230 lbs with a cannon arm and you said "didnt win any genetic lotteries"
MayhamSandwich@lmchankins
@milehighami Tom Brady didn't win any genetic lotteries, yet still the GOAT...
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@KeeperofReal16 @milehighami This is only what casuals think. Brady had a very strong arm.
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@milehighami Tom Brady famously did NOT have a cannon arm.
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@Buckeye937B @btsherwood03 It all comes down to how much a person values peak vs longevity. Peak Gronk clears peak Kelce. But Kelce has the longevity and therefore cumulative stats.
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@btsherwood03 He does I think if we exclude all Pats and Chiefs fans from the convo
Most will say Gronk
But people are underrating Kelce lately lol
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Gronk was drafted in 2010
Kelce drafted in 2013
Gronk was asked to play inline and be a blocker much more wear and tear on the body
Dumb take
Sasquatch Vinnie@SasquatchVinnie
Just a reminder that one is still in the league playing real football & one has been retired for years and plays flag football
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@Goatmuse77 @CoreyB08 Kelce is far less injury prone, no one is arguing that. Now, to take injury proneness out of the discussion, you need to look at efficiency, where Gronk dominates Kelce. Gronk had a better peak, Kelce has the longevity.
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@AllenBogarty @CoreyB08 That doesn’t make him a better TE or receiving TE when Kelce’s longevity absolutely clears this😂😂😂 I mean Kelce’s EPA is on a different planet to Gronk’s. Kelce does it longer and has the accolades and stats to back up why he’s the best TE
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@MrJoeMcBob Wrong. Peak Gronk dominates peak Kelce by every efficiency metric.
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Allen@AllenBogarty
I actually had this same opinion until I looked into it more deeply. Gronk's advanced efficiency metrics -- both peak and career -- are notably better than Kelce's. Had similar career DYAR & EPA despite running 1,906 fewer routes than Kelce. All while being inline (generally bad for efficiency and run-blocking grades) 34.4% more than Kelce. IMO Gronk > Kelce -- both peak and career.
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Kelce's peak was also better than Gronk's peak. Both in the regular season and the playoffs.
Brady Penn@bradypenn21
@chiefs_outsider I’m a Kelce appreciator and they’re clearly 1A 1B. It’s a Jordan-LeBron type thing where you either value the dominant peak or the longevity more. With Brady vs whoever I feel he has both but in this case it’s very similar
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@Goatmuse77 @CoreyB08 “Clearly the better receiver” yet worse in every per route metric LOL
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Allen@AllenBogarty
I actually had this same opinion until I looked into it more deeply. Gronk's advanced efficiency metrics -- both peak and career -- are notably better than Kelce's. Had similar career DYAR & EPA despite running 1,906 fewer routes than Kelce. All while being inline (generally bad for efficiency and run-blocking grades) 34.4% more than Kelce. IMO Gronk > Kelce -- both peak and career.
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@BrianneFinney1 @CoreyB08 And you shouldn’t underplay it. Kelce played 33% (11 %pts) more snaps at slot or out wide. That is significant.
Allen@AllenBogarty
I actually had this same opinion until I looked into it more deeply. Gronk's advanced efficiency metrics -- both peak and career -- are notably better than Kelce's. Had similar career DYAR & EPA despite running 1,906 fewer routes than Kelce. All while being inline (generally bad for efficiency and run-blocking grades) 34.4% more than Kelce. IMO Gronk > Kelce -- both peak and career.
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@CoreyB08 Kelce lined up in the slot 40.7% of his snaps.
Gronk lined up in the slot 40.4% of his snaps.
Don’t exaggerate on stats that are literally tracked dude
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@chicken_maui @CoreyB08 You’re way off. He was inline 44% of his career snaps, per PFF.
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Allen@AllenBogarty
I actually had this same opinion until I looked into it more deeply. Gronk's advanced efficiency metrics -- both peak and career -- are notably better than Kelce's. Had similar career DYAR & EPA despite running 1,906 fewer routes than Kelce. All while being inline (generally bad for efficiency and run-blocking grades) 34.4% more than Kelce. IMO Gronk > Kelce -- both peak and career.
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@AllenBogarty @CoreyB08 This isn't true at all gronk lined up inline 60% of the time.
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Just a reminder one is a WR who they call a TE
The other is the greatest TE that actually lined up more at TE than WR in their career
Also one player was targeted at the knees constantly because it was the only way of humanly stopping him the other is a really good WR pretending to be a TE
Sasquatch Vinnie@SasquatchVinnie
Just a reminder that one is still in the league playing real football & one has been retired for years and plays flag football
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@CardsHoney @itsdomyoutube Saw the post, saw your dumb comment, wanted to tell you your comment was dumb. Pretty simple lol
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One of them played tight end and the other is a wide receiver lmao
Sasquatch Vinnie@SasquatchVinnie
Just a reminder that one is still in the league playing real football & one has been retired for years and plays flag football
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@CardsHoney @itsdomyoutube I wasn’t even endorsing the original post’s point. I was just pointing out how stupid your run-blocking grade ‘point’ was.
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@AllenBogarty @itsdomyoutube Comparing a flag football player with someone who is still in the league is actually more retarded. Saying Kelce couldn’t block is retarded. They are the same age. Literally no comparison anymore. Gronk peak > Kelce peak but by that logic Lamar Jackson is the best active QB.
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Did you just not read my comment?
Comparing run blocking grades when there’s a 47 %pt inline difference is next-level retarded. Apply even a tiny bit of context to the stats you’re putting forth.
And yeah, Gronk was pretty athletically washed by 2020. Completely irrelevant for the discussion at hand though.
Not a Pats fan btw.
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@AllenBogarty @itsdomyoutube You realize Kelce had a better run blocking grade right? The guy you and your fandom like to say can’t block? Gronk couldn’t line up outside because he ran like David Ortiz in 2020z
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@CardsHoney @itsdomyoutube You realize run blocking grade isn’t adjusted for difficulty of assignment, right?
In 2020, Gronk lined up inline 81% of the time vs Kelce at 34%. Any guess which alignment will lead to harder blocking assignments?
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@FlareFolfTTV @mvpwizz Ab yes, Stafford was the reason one o the highest-drafted and best athletes at the WR position is so well regarded LOL
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@AllenBogarty @mvpwizz do you know why Megatron is regarded as one the best WR in NFL history? because Stafford was throwing him the rock
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@MayeIsKing_ These flag football takes are some of the most braindead shit I’ve ever seen
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trolling aside who are you taking tom brady over for a 4 game playoff run right now
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