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@Morrigon36 @Rothmus The “criminal economy “ you are all bothered about are like people you hire to paint your house and pay cash. They don’t report it, pay tax, then are criminals. For real crime, the US has 7 times more violent crime. We have 12 times the drug use rate and 55% more robberies.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus 10 mil people almost double ours. Shouldn't it be lower because less people easier to maybe manage? Your using the Nordic model as an example and it feels worse in every way to ours.

There is all the difference in the world between takers and makers. Production never even crosses their minds. Like parasites, socialists exist solely to take and consume, never to create or contribute.

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus Of a 33 Trillion dollar economy. That’s about 660-990 Billion dollars. And still no healthcare for all.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus you just told me it was 2-3% of GPD

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus And people are the happiest in the developed world.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus Higher taxes fund broader welfare systems (universal healthcare, education, parental leave, stronger social safety nets). They tax everyone more not just the rich the only ones that don't pay more are welfare.

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus Since our economy is proportionately larger it would probably cost less proportionately due to economies of scale. Good thinking 🤔

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus Similar issues appear elsewhere (e.g., reports of welfare/subsidy fraud involving child care or schools in Nordic countries like Sweden) 10.6 million people live in Sweden. Now how much would it cost on a scale of 360 million

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus We certainly don’t have any organized crime here. Or phone scams. Or welfare fraud.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus Fraud is the fastest-growing crime type in Sweden, driven by organized crime, social engineering (e.g., phone scams), and exploitation of welfare systems.

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus Ours is 2-3% of GDP. So what?

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus A major 2024/2025 report by Sweden’s Expert Group for Public Finance (ESO) estimates the total criminal economy at:Annual turnover: SEK 352 billion (5.5% of GDP). Annual profits: ~SEK 185 billion.

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus @grok No, I suggest poverty be measured as it is in the rich, happy, high tax Nordic countries. Let’s start taxing billionaires like they do.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus @grok The world average worth is 14k. In america your considered poverty under 50k. Let that sink in. Do you suggest America lower their Worth to 14k and give the rest to the world?

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus One in five people in the high tax, democratic socialism run Nordic area are foreigners who don’t know the language. But people assimilate and have a thriving, happy society that cherishes their healthcare, education and social safety net. Why would we want anything like that? 🤨

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus Nordic countries have greater levels of foreign born residents (about 20%) than the US (14%) How could democratic socialism work with that level of “open borders “ and people from different backgrounds?

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus They let in more people than us by far. The whole “open borders” nonsense is MAGA rhetoric. They are taxed way higher and they are the happiest people in the developed world. Worth a try I think.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus Do they have open borders? As far as I know it's the same as here. You attract the right people by keeping taxes low and keeping quality of life high. The right people can create a lot of value for your country.

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus @grok Because I’m American. It’s my country. We can have nice things too, like every other developed nation. Population, ethnic heterogeneity, and every other disctintion doesn’t address the fact that it works, people are happy with it since it produces wealth and fairness .

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus @grok Why not just move there? Why upend 360mil lives to fulfill some strange fantasy. Nordic Model works because its a very small population. Also they didn't do it to fix the country they improved it over time. They didn't do it by force.

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus @grok The happiest people on the planet live in Nordic countries. Why not try it? Afraid it would work?

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus Nordic Socialism actually failed. Nordic Model is based on Capitalist system these days. @grok is his statement true?

@Morrigon36 @Rothmus 1. This is semantic. Bernie and AOC claim to be democratic socialists and not Marxist or communist. It’s MAGA that conflates the two. 2. Agreed no one is trying to scrap capitalism. The Nordic model works. 3. A distinction without any meaningful difference.

@ApacheS3460 @Rothmus democratic socialism has not been successfully implemented on a national scale by any country in a sustained way. heritage.org/international-…

@chang_joe69119 @amyjohsonwh Wrong. Only male property owners could vote. Non property owners could not vote. Females could not vote. Indentured servants could not vote. Freed slaves could not vote. Persons means persons. Count them all.

@ApacheS3460 @amyjohsonwh Back then, an adult free male could vote, so personal was citizen. An illegal is not legally here and hence should not factor in. Even legal noncitizens have rights in their own country and also should not factor in

Stephen Miller trying to stop counting illegal immigrants in the U.S. census. This would reduce the number of House seats for Democratic states like California and New York. DO YOU SUPPORT THIS MOVE? A. Yes B. No

@GuntherEagleman When you have no policy successes, you have to point to incomplete public works projects. Sad!

🚨 PROMISES KEPT! This is what winning looks like. Trump: $2 Million + 1 Week = beautiful, crystal clear, and done right! Government efficiency is back, baby. No more wasting taxpayer money.

@Deschene99 @davincentjames A 30% drop in rents would cause defaults in the multi family market. This would cause a banking crisis up to and including bank failures. That would cause a recession. But when you learn your economics from Trump University everything is possible if you say it on twitter.

@ApacheS3460 @davincentjames More available affordable housing would not cause a recession. There's at least 20 million that got here since 2020 so 50 million isn't too far off. And smaller classrooms, well, ask any teacher how they'd feel about that.

Deport 50 million illegals and EVERYTHING becomes affordable again. Here’s what would happen: 1. Rent drops by 30% 2. Home prices drop 3. $1 Trillion in education cost saved 4. $70 Billion in welfare saved 5. Health insurance would drop 6. Gas would drop Only $6B to deport

@LangmanVince When you have so few policy successes that you have to point to a proposed public works project it’s pretty pathetic.

Why are Democrats triggered by this?

@WestrockMedia @AVGirl4Life Kansas has a Democratic governor, genius.

@AVGirl4Life Correct. These prices are about a month old, but you get the picture.

Liberals in California blame Trump for both gas prices instead of doing a tiny amount of research into democratic policies that are destroying the state.