Joe B

Not only will religion never fade away, there will one day be Cathedrals on Mars. We will continue to praise the Lord as we explore His creation.

@kepilar77 Well no, He’s saving you from your own faults, which you are free to make thanks to your free will.

@AstroJoeB So he created a scenario where he is saving you from the punishment he is going to give you.

“An all-powerful God could never do that” Do y’all not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

@kepilar77 Or, it’s like saying 3 measurements that are all 15ft come together to make one room. And look at that, 3 equal measurements!

@AstroJoeB It’s like saying 3 measurements of a room that are all 15ft, add up to 15ft.

Anyone arguing that minor damage to a US aircraft, sustained while lollygagging over hostile airspace is an epoch altering event is arguing the US military is so strong that the mere damaging of one of its weapons is a great feat.

@kepilar77 Why though? It’s just an example of 3 different and distinct things being equivalent to one thing.

@AstroJoeB It would work better it it related to agents, rather than properties.

@kepilar77 Generally speaking, yes

@AstroJoeB Right, there’s def punishment involved though?

@kepilar77 Hence why I said that like any analogy, it isn’t perfect. I feel like it lays a really clear way of understanding the concept though.

@AstroJoeB That’s a decent analogy, but we’re talking about 3 agents - not 3 properties. It’s not really confusing, it just doesn’t add up.

@kepilar77 In all honesty? I have no idea. I can tell you that the Catholic Church teaches no salvation outside the Church. Regardless of whether or not you follow Christ, judgement day will come. God is just and merciful, so I can’t say for sure what He will do.

@AstroJoeB What happens if we don’t follow him?

It was developed over ~200 years, 100-300 AD give or take. One Divine nature in the form of 3 Divine persons is not that illogical. I acknowledged that the concept is certainly confusing, but maybe analogy will work. I like the analogy of the room, though like any analogy, it’s not without flaws. Take one room, it has 3 dimensions length, width, and height. They are all distinct and different, but make up the same thing, the room. Remove one, and the room is gone.

@AstroJoeB That’s where the debate rests - was it an interpretation or an ad hoc work around? I think it was developed over a few centuries? Either way - it doesn’t seem grounded in any logic, to me 1 ≠ 3.

No offense, but that’s not an argument if you don’t actually know the history. God gave us the power of free will. We are free to rebel against Him, free to sin, free to do anything we want. Everything He does is purposeful, and the purpose is to bring us closer to Him. He absolutely could’ve made us as predetermined robots who do everything He says and live only by His word. Now why do you think He chose not to do that?

@AstroJoeB I grew up going to church, I know the doctrine + the apologetics well. How can he be merciful when he created the scenario? Havnt found an explanation where any of it is logical in my mind.

@kepilar77 It was established less than 100 years after Christ’s crucifixion. Interpreted directly from the Bible.

@AstroJoeB Yeah, it’s a lil’ vague - the concept was definitely developed, later.

@kepilar77 You’re right, he didn’t have to do that. It was a choice, made by a merciful God, to experience humanity. I feel like you need to research Christianity more in depth, both the theology and its history. I highly recommend listening to Fr. Mike Schmitz.

@AstroJoeB Not really - he created that scenario when he didn’t need to.

@kepilar77 Of course the violence is there. It was violence that Jesus could have stopped at any time, because He is God. Yet, he chose to allow the suffering so that we may be freed from sin and join him in everlasting life. There’s something beautiful about that, huh?

@AstroJoeB The violence is there - it’s a central theme, Jesus died a violent death. God created a scenario where things get ugly if you don’t worship him.

@kepilar77 “The Father and I are one.” -John 10:30 “Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.” -John 8:58

@AstroJoeB The concept of ‘one essence, three distinct persons’ isn’t laid out in the bible. it was developed to solve the question ‘is Jesus god or was he created by god’ in the early church.

@kepilar77 Yes, you’re the one who added the violence unnecessarily. You’re trying to portray a hateful, violent god, not the actual loving God. Hence why I said your assessment was off.

@AstroJoeB Isn’t this what I said, but with the violence taken out? God created this insane scenario.

@kepilar77 The concept of the Trinity was not “added later.” It’s been there since the beginning. Research the Council of Nicaea and the Council of Constantinople. Heck, the concept as a whole dates back to the 1st century AD.

@AstroJoeB It was added, after though to make sense of the contradiction.

@kepilar77 From the beginning, people have rebelled against God, yet He never stopped loving us. Instead, He came to Earth in the flesh to fulfill His promises from the Old Testament. He suffered and died for our sins. He faced death so that we may have eternal life.

@kepilar77 I can acknowledge that the concept itself is confusing, but it’s laid out relatively clearly. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all referred to pretty directly. I’ll take what you said and reword it to be more accurate.

Alternatively, the SU-57 gets blown up by a $10 temu drone while sitting on the tarmac

An F-35 gets hit by a missile and lands safely An SU-57 doesn’t get hit by a missile, because none of them are air-worthy

@kepilar77 The Trinity is Biblical. The word “trinity” is not in the Bible, but the concept is. God exists as three persons but is not three gods. He exists as three equally divine, equally eternal persons. I believe that your assessment of Christianity was totally off, yes.

@AstroJoeB We’re talking about a mythical being, split into 3 but then each one is 100% God. But they’re not each other. And none of it’s in the Bible. Was my assessment of Christianity totally off in the last tweet?