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Think independently. Nokia's market share fall from 49.4% in 2007 to 3% in 2013 shows how crucial adaptation is. One block per 10 mins – is it enough?

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Šťoural@Audit1000·
Ultimátní $Kaspa rozcestník pro českou komunitu👇 Za tu dobu, co se Kaspě věnuji se podařilo vytvořit nebo sesbírat poměrně hodně materiálů a proto by nebylo na škodu vytvořit toto vlákno, kde krátce popíši každý relevantní odkaz na zdroje v českém jazyce + takový bonus budou ještě 2 články zaměřené přímo na Bitcoin a jeho budoucnost
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Bit Cat@maxibitcat·
People should understand that you do not broadcast a public key to the entire planet when you connect to your bank account.
Blepyros ⚡@MrMustermann42

@beffjezos As soon as the first news breaks that a quantum computer has cracked a bank account, I'll set a timer for 10 years to start worrying about BTC.

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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@BitcoinRachy Yonatan and Sutton…nobody else not even close They are the biggest brains and Yoni is probably top3 crypto brain ever Rest is irelevant
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₿itcoin Rachy ⚡️@BitcoinRachy·
Out of these 4 accounts, which Kaspian is the smartest, most reasonable Kaspian who realizes Kaspa is a compliment to Bitcoin, not necessarily the end all be all and has smart engaging conversations with the Bitcoin community without insults:
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@thekaspaonion Bitcoin needs 19% cagr for eternity to compensate halving effect. Yet the price is currently lower than in 2021 peak…makes you think how sustainable the bet on ngu is 😀
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@techyandfoodie The question is if this helps to ignite interest in his normal btc audience or not… but recently it seems more and more btc maxis are commenting kaspa for some reason
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jordan@techyandfoodie·
@Audit1000 He's wrong, but he at least put initial effort. Hopefully the next person sees the counter points.
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
I finally did read this “research” and I found that its author has not studied kaspa for more than 10 hours with gpt (rough estimate). Has no idea that majority of those fancy bullet points for bitcoin strenghts are equally attributable to kaspa as well 😀 Waste of time and not worth your time if you are serious about research
₿itcoin Rachy ⚡️@BitcoinRachy

I finally did some research on Bitcoin vs Kaspa. Here’s what I found. Mega thread below 🧵

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Breadman@BTCBreadMan·
@BobsieFett It is very ridiculous to compare global money to corporations dealing in tech products.
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Breadman@BTCBreadMan·
I understand what the $KAS folks are saying, and from a technical standpoint I can’t say they’re wrong. The source of disagreement is whether a coin that is not Bitcoin has a realistic shot of turning out differently than every other altcoin in the graveyard of altcoin history.
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
In 50 years, bitcoin miners have near zero rewards from new coins and have to rely on tx fees (reward is 1/4096 of the current one). Whole cycle from 2022 low to 2025 high there was no fee market and reality shows that bitcoin security is not sth you can rely on. So back to your question - if bitcoin does not change its going to die in 50 years…sad, but true
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₿itcoin Rachy ⚡️@BitcoinRachy·
Serious question for the Kaspa crowd: What matters more in a global money: Higher throughput OR Highest probability it still exists, unchanged, 50 years from now?
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@BTCBreadMan @Shawn173985 And TCP/IP is the same as 40 years ago or upgraded several times for current needs and tech evolution? I love these stupid comparisons and love to see how blind maxis like you are…keep having the head in the sand :)
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Breadman@BTCBreadMan·
@Shawn173985 Bitcoin is more analogous to the TCP/IP protocol than it is to MySpace or Netscape.
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Breadman@BTCBreadMan·
Because tech matters dramatically less than network effects. And absolute digital scarcity can only be discovered once. Everything else thereafter is an attempt to counterfeit digital scarcity to create more of it, even if it has better tech.
₿itcoin Rachy ⚡️@BitcoinRachy

People keep trying to compare Bitcoin to dial up internet, saying there are new coins like Kaspa that are high speed and “better tech”. My question to you: If “better tech” always wins, why hasn’t every faster coin replaced Bitcoin yet?

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Šťoural@Audit1000·
🙈🙈🙈 Exactly the opposite…otherwise you would still be on 64kpbs land line connection and using Windows 95…or MS Dos Not a single global relevant tech that remained obsolete and in its original form without a single improvement. The problem is that people dont use Bitcoin on a regular basis and consider it a NGU item…this is effectively delaying the inevitable replacement of its obsolete tech (dont say Kaspa or sth else…I dont know what but it will be replaced one day). Tech is usually being used by people and thus the replacement for better solutions is fast…in this case it is slow but its going to happen for sure. Either better tech or security budget collapse
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
Imho what majority of bitcoiners dont see is the transaction fee issue coming in max 10-20 years from now…btc is not going to overperform forever (it actually stopped doing so already - price is lower than in 2021) and miners will leave (Marathon already exiting). Its security will collapse and price will naturally follow…you cant imagine that now because it was up only for 15 years but its pretty normal for various assets.
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₿itcoin Rachy ⚡️@BitcoinRachy·
Kaspa is still a bet on change. Bitcoin is the bet on permanence. The whole point of Bitcoin is that its core properties are the hardest to morph because no one controls it and no one can easily change the rules. That resistance is the product, not a flaw. Faster is easy. Durable, neutral, decentralized, and globally trusted monetary certainty is rare. To me, the real risk is leaving the asset with the longest track record of immutability for one that still has to prove it across time.
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₿itcoin Rachy ⚡️@BitcoinRachy·
Okay Kaspians, tell me in 1 sentence why I as a Bitcoiner need to get some KAS? What makes it a good compliment, or in some of your eyes, better than Bitcoin itself? Convince me.
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@Rajatsoni @marc02200 You are constantly engagement farming kaspa 😂 And based on what research you came to a conclusion that buying kaspa gives you just a few dollars capital gain potential?
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Rajat Soni, CFA@Rajatsoni·
@marc02200 This is exactly what I meant when I commented on someone post yesterday You're risking so much just to get a few dollars
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Marc ₿@marc02200·
I’m not even kidding you, I’m worried by the amount of people posting about KASPA, just for the impressions. If you’re a Bitcoin account, with a Bitcoin audience, why would you throw that away for some impressions? I don’t mind an informative post or whatever, but if you keep doing it, you’re losing the people that helped you grow in the first place.
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@BTCForevercast @marc02200 What exacly have a fair launched proof of work coin in common with a 75% preallocation proof of stake shitcoin (algo)??? You are comparing two different worlds
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₿easantJames@BTCForevercast·
I like to offer food for thought to Kaspians to maybe consider reasons why maybe things don’t play out the way they hope. I don’t mean this specifically towards Kaspians who own BTC and decided getting some Kas for more potential upside. I mean some of them who are all in with no BTC at all and are so sure that Bitcoin will get ditched for Kas. I have a particular soft spot because I got into crypto on Algorand with a similar (better technology) narrative. Just as sure that the better technology and “more decentralized” coin would eventually win. I was wrong. If only the dollars I traded for Algorand went only into BTC, and if I just held.
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Wolfie@Kaspa_HypeMan·
@SatsySiren i started mining $BTC in 2011, at the time it was novel and remarkable. 15 yrs later, a blockchain is no longer remarkable tech, but a 100ms BlockDAG is, so it capture my attn as it IS cutting edge $KAS
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BitCat@MastZX·
@alwaysaimbig It's like taking your first drag, bro. Then you'll find the developers telegram channel, then you'll spend 10 hours a day torturing the AI, analyzing it. Then you'll realize that Kaspa is just like Bitcoin, but it works the way Satoshi intended.
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@FreedomMemesIRL @StevenYamada1 Its actually quite funny to watch bitcoiners who believe they are smarter than they actually are… So all those attack vectors (one of them linked below) are present on bitcoin layer 1 as well, right? 😀 But the most entertaining part is that bitcoiners adore its own killer 😂
eliott@eliottmea

Flood and Loot attack on the LN This post follows the paper arxiv.org/pdf/2006.08513 written by Aviv Zohar et al. (AFT 2020) This paper focuses on a wide systemic attack, in which an attacker triggers the closure of many Lightning channels at once. The resulting high volume of transactions in the blockchain will not allow for the proper settlement of all debts, and attackers may get away with stealing funds. Preliminaries In the lightning network, the trustless nature ensure you can interact with the blockchain in order to reclaim funds if another party is cheating you. The goal of the attack is to have everybody try to access the blockchain and post transactions there at the same time, which will cause a congestion. This is done by running the attack in parallel on a large number of victims. We start the same way as for the congestion attack. We connect to a victim from two sides and send a large amount of payment request from one attacker node to the other. On the channel, there are now a large amount of HTLCs waiting for the secrets to be sent back in order to complete the payments. Here is an image for intuition, Now the RHS attacker node sends the secrets back, and once they are shown to the intermediate node (the victim), it behaves naively and simplifies the transaction. Given he knows the RHS has all the secrets, he just replaces the transaction by updating the balances, giving him the money without the need for all the HTLCs. Once that is done, the RHS channel is closed on the blockchain as the attacker simply has a small transaction that can be easily included into a block. The victim then expects the next node to do the same thing, a simplification of the transaction. But then, the attacker on the LHS stops interacting with the channel and goes silent, he refuses to sign a new transaction. Now this shouldn’t be a problem right ? The victim already has the secret, so he can just redeem the funds by sending the LHS transaction with all the HTLCs to the bitcoin network. However, for the channel to be closed, the large transaction has to be accepted into a block. Furthermore, the victim has a limited amount of time to do so, because the HTLCs expire after a few hours. After that, they are useless and he has lost his funds. The attackers get the money from the victim, through the RHS tx, but the LHS attacker never paid him. The funds have successfully been stolen. So how do we ensure the victim doesn’t manage to redeem the transaction by sending it to the blockchain. This is done by causing a congestion of the blocks. If the attacker execute the setup in parallel many times, there will be many victims with large transactions competing with one another to make it to the blockchain. Given the limited space in each block, if the attack is conducted at a large enough scale, some victims won’t be able to redeem their funds, and the attackers will pocket them. The victims fail to recover all the funds due to congestion of the blockchain. Here is a visual example of how a parallel attack would be executed The final nail in the coffin There is a quirk in the LN that amplifies the above attack. To understand it we have to look at what happens when a channel is opened between Alice (the attacker) and Charlie (the victim). An HTLC is issued from Alice to Charlie. Charlie sends back the secret, and now tries to claim the money by publishing his commitment as the expiration hight approaches. Once expiration has arrived, Alice then published a transaction saying the HTLC has expired, hence trying to claim back the funds. Now Charlie published it first so he will be included first right? The subtlety is that the HTLC-success transaction has to be signed by both parties. This means that when it is created, Alice pre-signs it in advance, thus promising to pay a certain fee. If Alice goes silent, Charlie cannot change the fee associated to the HTLC-success transaction. However, Alice doesn’t need Charlies signature when the contract expires, and can claim the funds back through an HTLC-timeout transaction. She can increment the fee and thus have priority over Charlie. But Charlie went first, so he should still be fine right? Wrong. If the attack is conducted on many victims, the HTLC-success transactions congests the network. Priority then goes to the highest fee. If Alice was smart enough, she created all these contracts when fees were low on the bitcoin network. So many transactions with low fees are fighting for inclusion. Alice then arrives, posting HTLC-timeout transactions with much higher fees, frontrunning many victims in the process. The funds have been stolen.

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Freedom Memes@FreedomMemesIRL·
Kaspa guys think Lightning isn’t Bitcoin because it doesn’t settle every second. That’s like saying a bar tab isn’t real because you don’t pay per sip.
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KaspaFacts@NikolaGalilei·
KIP 21 also reduces Proof of Acceptance receipt size to "lane activity". You want to prove your transaction was accepted, but it has been pruned? You save a receipt that cryptographically proves the tx you provide hashes to a preserved forever pruning point.
KaspaFacts@NikolaGalilei

This weeks article (last weeks) on @KaspaCom is now live. I was intending to write on something totally different, but KIP21 popped up on X, I went down that route, and was very busy this weekend... So the article digs into KIP21... kaspa.com/learn-kaspa/po…

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Šťoural@Audit1000·
I used to have Nokia and it was the most used cell phone in the world with more than 50% share…used to There came the better tech and all the pretty “network effect” went to hell Plus Nokia did not have to solve its security budget but this issue is probably way above your capabilities
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Freedom Memes@FreedomMemesIRL·
Kaspa isn’t a fork of Bitcoin. But it’s running the exact same playbook we’ve seen before: “Faster than Bitcoin” “Better tech” “Next generation money” We heard all of this with BSV. Kaspa will fade away just like BSV did.
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Michael Sutton
Michael Sutton@michaelsuttonil·
@VitalikButerin @colludingnode @drakefjustin This is indeed (one of) the case(s) for fast pow (eg kaspa) > “in pos, fast confirmations press directly against decentralization. In fast pow, the two properties are decoupled” full argument: x.com/i/status/19738…
Michael Sutton@michaelsuttonil

The case for the uniqueness of fast pow tl;dr Finality has two moving parts: (i) fast inclusion (= high bps, how quickly a tx gets into a block), and (ii) fast confirmations (= how quickly that tx becomes irreversible). Any system with rapid block production can achieve the first. The second is where the tension shows: in pos, fast confirmations press directly against decentralization. In fast pow, the two properties are decoupled. prologue A few weeks ago I came across Solana’s founder claiming: “Solana is the fastest monetary system in the world”. Since Kaspa already runs at a faster block rate, I was curious to check Solana’s finality times. That curiosity quickly pointed me to a deeper issue: not raw speed, but how speed interacts with decentralization. —————— The tension is structural. In pos, finality means accumulating staked votes, and the more decentralized the stake distribution, the more time is required to reach finality. Here I’m not talking about hardware requirements or validator specs. The axis I’m discussing is centralization around the security mechanism itself: stake in pos vs. hardware in pow. To be secure, a block must be confirmed by a supermajority--typically >66.7% of the total economic stake. In a truly decentralized network, where n stakers with uniform share grows without bound, the time to coordinate this supermajority becomes a real bottleneck. Pow works differently. It samples the hardware space without requiring the protocol to explicitly collect evidence from a majority of miners. Each block is itself a statistical proof that the finder out-competed the full network’s hash power. This process--and its timing--remains independent of how many individual miners participate. Ethereum’s researchers understood this when moving to pos. Unlike Solana, which tolerates concentration to reach ~13-second finality, Ethereum’s designers could not accept that trade-off. Their solution was to introduce rotating committees. A rotating committee is a smaller subset of validators, randomly chosen from the full set, that votes on behalf of everyone else. But this comes with a different security model, known in the literature as exposure to a BFT adaptive attacker. The committee is selected first and then votes. That “select-then-work” sequence is theoretically exposed to adaptive attackers, since members are known in advance. Pow, by contrast, is “work-then-select”: the winner is only revealed after the work is done. Think of it this way: in pos, you know who the referees are before the game starts, which gives an attacker time to pressure them. In pow, you only learn who won after the work is already done, which removes that attack surface. So n confirmations provide consistent confidence regardless of miner granularity, and the system stays secure even under adaptive targeting. Beyond attack subtleties, the real issue is economic weight. When I send a billion-dollar transfer in a pos system, the question I care about is simple: how much stake is actually securing it? A committee vote provides strong statistical evidence, but only a true supermajority puts the full economic stake of the network behind my confirmation. In other words, a sampled committee may convince me that things are probably safe, but only the weight of the entire stake provides an overwhelming guarantee. And this is exactly where pow shines: each confirmation is not just a probability estimate, but a direct proof of work done against the full hash power of the network, no matter how many miners there are. closing remark I don’t claim to know every engineering detail of Ethereum or Solana. But I’m convinced the core principle holds. I’ll state it simply: fast pow uniquely enables fast finality without forcing a compromise on decentralization.

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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@Ghostbanned7 And of course I can easily calculate it on my own…I just want to see if you understand your own file
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
@Ghostbanned7 You either dont understand your own file (is it yours or stolen?) or you lie Tell us what fee in usd terms is assumed?
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Šťoural@Audit1000·
Its actually pretty easy from my point of view… If you have a protocol that nobody actually uses you still dont have a chance to maintain security through inflation of sth that nobody wants If you are able to make a protocol (kaspa) attractive for devs, eco players and final users you have a chance to survive from fees (or combination of low inflation and fees) $KAS
ddob_o@dobb_o

$kas Kaspa won't survive without tail emissions. In fact it's impossible to create a low fees currency without inflation. Kaspa's inflation is going down and security is plunging to 0 along with it. It's mathematically impossible to sustain Kaspa's security with low fees.

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