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@Imp24788587 @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo So we agree then? I said "Zywoo gets comparable amounts of resources" and then you started posting screenshots.

@BansheeDsv @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo That’s my point ? I never said that Zywoo doesn’t get many resources but donk is the player that gets the most resources on tier 1 scene and more than Zywoo, I was already watching counter strike esport in 2018, Zywoo get less resources than he had before in 2019 or 2020

flameZ rating 2026: 1.28 !!!! This only gets better and better. He’s hands down a top 3 player of the year so far, impressive work @flameZcsgo

@DragoiDoruAlex @Thorin Thorin: says A You: so you're saying B? They really are letting anyone make comments these days. In the past you had to at least fill out a captcha or something before making an account.

@Thorin so ur saying zywoo only has skill(which ur born with) because of apex? ohkk....so individually zywoo would be silver player without apex? cool story fam only that apex said in interview opposite

apEX becoming a master of utility after having an entire career as a brute force entry is still heavily under-appreciated.

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin How is there more for Zywoo lol. Did you go and look at the article? But yes, of course there are stats for both. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? Where did I say that Zywoo is trash and Donk is better in every way?

@BansheeDsv @Thorin You will se more of stats like zywoo better at 11/15 events they both atended. So whats the point. You will find some facts for Donk but you will always find more for zywoo. So whats your point ?

It's a great irony that ZywOo fans unthinkingly use the infamous narrative about ZywOo himself (from his then IGL ALEX) that he looks so good cos he's being flashed in by team-mates except they use it for donk since they hate him being the best.

@Imp24788587 @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo How about you watch the games instead of posting sample sizes of one round? I’ve watched 95% of vitality matches over the last 5 years, Zywoo gets more hero weapons than everyone else except donk and maybe someone like m0nesy.

@BansheeDsv @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo If donk get setup because of his role don’t use the fucking argument that Zywoo is an awper so he gets more ressources ? And look at the next screenshot from the parivison game retard, but yeah he always has all the resources right

@BalatOscar @Thorin @vooCSGO And how does saying that he isn’t as exciting to watch as S1mple going to hurt him as a person? No way you’re that soft…

@Thorin @vooCSGO Before being a player, he's a person, never forget that.

if zywoo played like he does now for his entire career, his cultural impact would be up there with s1mple

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin Back to "check the hltv ARTICLE (not the title) for donk in 2025". There you will see plenty of STATISTICS that make the opinion "donk is better than zywoo" REASONABLE to hold. And before"that was 2025...": 3 months ago isn't that long (Yes, in the last month zywoo was the best)

@BansheeDsv @Thorin Back to the opinion YEKINDAR >Donk. Same value as your opinion without any measurement and facts to back it up.

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin Looks like I finally cracked you. Looks like my job here is done. In case you need reminding, the whole point of this discussion was the idea that "best player" is an opinion. Your "obviously" seems to imply that you agree with that.

@BansheeDsv @Thorin Obviously. They still have more than just ur "opinion" .Dont they ? :D

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin You think this is an own, but even striker and nero, who are COMPLETELY responsible for the hltv nr1 player, will tell you that it is THEIR opinion only Yes, they made the rating system, but they don't have a formula that magically outputs who the nr1 is. They sit and debate it

@BansheeDsv @Thorin It is a hard choice between HLTV staff who made ranking system. Does all the stats for counter strike for the last 20 years. And are strustworthy and logicaly prooven. And you delusional stan who cant count to five. Hard choice.

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin How did I lose? Because hltv disagrees with me? You can't think for yourself, you just wait for hltv to tell you what to think? Clearly you cant say zywoo is the best right now since last year doesn't matter and hltv haven't told you who it is for 26 yet. See how dumb you sound?

@BansheeDsv @Thorin You still didnt answered what stats support that Donk is the best player. It is you who quoted HLTV first. More so you decided to quote 2025. Am asking you again show us stats where donk is the best player atm. Not last year since you already lost that as Donk was 2nd.

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin That's hltv's opinion of the best player that year, based on the stats. What is the relevance of that to "please do tell us which stats support Donk as best player"? "Hltv player of the year" is not a stat LMAO, zywoo fans never cease to amaze me haha

@BansheeDsv @Thorin Wait. What is the year ? Are we living in the past ? Okay ill take a look at 2025. Yeah zywoo Top1 player of 2025. Anything else ? :D

@Imp24788587 @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo Are you fucking trolling? Maybe use your brain and actually watch the match instead of just "2 random click". It was against an eco, zywoo has the mac10 to farm eco kills for awp money. Donk is an agressive rifler, zywoo is an awper. Obviously an awper will throw more flash...

@BansheeDsv @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo 2 random click on last match between parivison and vitality btw and when I talk about ressources I also talk about utility, donk throw 0 utilities and get setup by him teammates

@Imp24788587 @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo Zywoo gets comparable amounts of resources. He gets an almost twice as expensive gun, while also still having many deagles and always getting the hero ak.

@BansheeDsv @waleryyyy @PimpWinneche @flameZcsgo Getting the most ressources of all the tier 1 players also

@ncchris_ @Mauisnake Donk isn't in the clutch because it is simply THAT valuable to have someone who can consistently just double kill to CTs holding the bombsite. If they put him in more clutch situations, I seriously doubt that he wouldn't be way better than shiro with mechanics alone.

@BansheeDsv @Mauisnake It's not a bad thing because he doesn't live long enough that his team depends on him to win a clutch, they have sh1ro who btw is a way better clutcher... Different players, different styles, I get that. However, I prefer the most complete and versatile players!

Not sure what's the bigger gap, ZywOo vs the 2nd best clutcher in the world OR Vitality vs the 2nd best team in the world.

@madr_adam30689 @Thorin Maybe take a look at his 2025 hltv top 1 article. You'll be laughing for a while, cause there are so many of them.

@BansheeDsv @Thorin Please do tell us which stats support Donk as best player. We will all have a laught at it .)

@ncchris_ @Mauisnake Ok? You say that like it’s a bad thing and zywoo wins 100% of his clutches. Both are good in their own ways.

@Mauisnake This clutch shows exactly the difference between zywOo and donk. The latter only manage to clutch if it's a explosive play, just brute aim... zywOo is smart, chooses his plays, knows what enemies are gonna do. Different classes!

@N9mEs1S @hawka_cs Yeah, dogshit ones. One was online and the other two were against T2 and T3. Nobody talks about those like we do about donk’s and now this Zywoo clutch.

@hawka_cs Ok dude He already had 3 1v5s before

ZywOo is on a whole different level this year And it's exactly why I've been "harsh" on him before - we've always known THIS is what he's capable of

@p1peb0mb @Pictrucz Reaching finals means you win more rounds -> easier to get higher kpr. Vitality were by far the best team at krakow -> easier to get higher kpr. Spirit are trash right now -> higher kpr harder to get.

@Pictrucz Ya they reached finals and donk in groups.

Highest Big Event KpR Zywoo: IEM Krakow 1.02 KpR S1mple: Dreahack Maseille 1.00 KpR Niko: ESL New York 0.99 KpR Donk in Blast Rotterdam has a 1.07 KpR and gets grouped 🙃

@youremember0 @Pictrucz @Kahneedakid How does it make sense? Spirit are trash and vitality were the best team at krakow, barely losing a map. Donk’s kpr was harder to get. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT. The point is you should NEVER lose in groups if your kpr is this high.

@Pictrucz @Kahneedakid Yes, but what he meant to say was that it makes sense that donk had a bigger KPR in group if you compare it with people who went all the way through the event and won it. Because obviously games get harder. Would be interesting to compare his KPR against zywoo KPR in group stage

@Vauk19 @Pictrucz Check Katowice 2024. Yep, it’s not close indeed

@Pictrucz ZywOo played against way better team and way more map in Krakow lil bro, it's not close

@Brobro113657 @bichigten1228 @Thorin You’re really struggling understand basic concepts here

@BansheeDsv @bichigten1228 @Thorin Gave donk plenty of talent lol. Not their fault

If Spirit don't start winning trophies the HLTV player of the year race is going to be even more one-sided than last year if you understand the criteria.