Stephan Trone

@OzarkRequiem @AlexAlleman @manmotion @grok 1. No good statistics… 2. No sources… 3. Mishmash of studies with different methodologies… 4. Can’t compare 1:1… This was the journey you took us on through the thread. It’s a great example of moving the goalposts. You have no singular point.

@AlexAlleman @manmotion @grok You're missing the point. You can't pretend like you can compare them 1:1 fairly. Idiotic

There will always be bad actors, But the LDS Church is light years ahead of any other group when it comes to incidents of sexual abuse. Based on available data, If you were to compare Abuse incidents to Number of Days of rain in a calendar year: Public schools, it would rain 35 days a year Catholic Clergy, 14.6 days a year General Male population 3.6 days a year Southern Baptists 1.1 days a year But for LDS, it would rain 1 day every 12.5 years.

@DiscipleFidei @gospel_lens

The Bible is roughly three times the length of the Book of Mormon, yet the Book of Mormon uses the phrase “and it came to pass” far far far more frequently. 😂 It shows up over 1,300 times in 269,000 ish words, compared to about 450 times in the Bible’s 783,000 ish words. It shows that 1 person wrote the entire Book of Mormon because of the same exact literary style and character. Cmon dude

“And it came to pass…” - Joseph Smith

@EqualProtectGA @Mormonger I reject the necessity that the Bible is infallible. I think the Old Testament was written by men, and there is no way from the text alone to know what is written by man, and what is inspired by God, what is literal, and what is metaphorical.

@Bongo83948 @Mormonger Do you also reject the Passover, where God killed the firstborn males of every household where the blood of a spotless lamb was not found on the doorpost? Is that an objectively evil act committed by a ruthless and corrupt God that has no basis in reality?

The God of traditional Christianity is evil

@firewirenz @exRhenum @TomorrowsWar He was crucified next to Jesus. Was Jesus a criminal?

@exRhenum @TomorrowsWar Because the Bible doesn’t say he was doofus. Why would he be being a criminal?

The thief on the cross was saved by perfect contrition and implicit desire for Baptism and the Church in a moment of extraordinary grace outside the ordinary means of salvation established by Christ. Sola Fide also collapses here too. The thief’s final act was not faith alone detached from all response, but an incredible act of repentance, hope, and submission to Christ in the only way left to him. He was not a lifelong Protestant refusing the sacraments, he was a dying man given a unique and unrepeatable grace.

When we live rent free in your head, you can’t help but include us.

@EqualProtectGA @Mormonger No. I don’t hold the Bible to be infallible.

@Bongo83948 @Mormonger God is sovereign and acts as He sees fit. Nothing God does is immoral or evil. God’s character and nature dictates that He is incapable of committing evil. Everything He does is perfect and just, even in His severity. Are you arguing that God committed evil acts?

Show me you don’t comprehend the LDS position without telling me you don’t understand the LDS position. Agreement equals running now I guess. 🤪

@EqualProtectGA @Mormonger So, the obviously morally abhorrent act of killing babies is good because God did it, and he’s good by definition. Or, that’s nonsense, and any honest and reasonable person recognises killing infants for the sins of their fathers is evil.

It was good and just. God promised to blot out Amalek in Exodus 17. God delayed that judgment during which time the Amalekites continued in their wicked ways. God did not execute His just judgment on them immediately, but He ultimately fulfilled his promise to blot out Amalek and used the Israelites as His method of judgment against them. This is entirely consistent with Exodus 33:19 ⬇️ And He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you My name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. “If God takes away the young, it is not cruelty but an act consistent with His justice and wisdom; He who gives life has the right to take it.” - Charles Spurgeon

We have 24 1 hour classes to go through the entire Old Testament. It’s not surprising to anyone with two brain cells why some things are left out.

@DiscipleFidei @vinecomicbnb To call you out for bearing false witness. Hope that help!

@Called_2_Glory @HonestYPTweets Yeah, why do they hate it when we lie about them? So weird!

@HonestYPTweets And if you point out those things they call you a Bigot who just hates Mormons. It’s ridiculous. 🤣

I guess if you ignore the polygamy, racist teachings, and his role in the Mountain Meadows Massacre controversy you’d be right. Not to mention his overbearing theocratic leadership style. Yeah…nothing wrong. 😂

@DiscipleFidei @mcodyw What quote did you use? Why would you make a meme using a quote that wasn’t clear if you are not intending to misrepresent?

@mcodyw It’s from April 2002 and the quote isn’t clear what he said exactly. It’s paraphrased. He claimed to be the true Christian immediately after stating that mormons have a different Christ.

Agreed

@EqualProtectGA @Mormonger Killing Amalekite babies is actually good.

What God does and goodness cannot be separated. God is all good and everything He does and commands His creation to do is good. Cosmic treason against the God of the universe, the infinitely holy God, deserves an infinite punishment. There is no evil in this. It is right and just. But God, being rich and mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ. (Ephesians 2:4-5)

@YouSpooneeBard Trogdor!!!

The fact that Mormons believe Trogdor was a man, I mean a dragon-man, I mean he was just a dragon, is mind boggling to me.

@PostMilstone @ThoughtfulSaint Jeff, is that you?

@ThoughtfulSaint You are such a clown, and a liar. Time stamp where you called him out and he ran away? P.S. you didn't destroy anything, you are just coping.

Remember that time I debunked Jeff on all these verses publicly and then called him out for a debate and he ran away. youtu.be/0PdfhOmYcW4?si…

@iiTzz_Tyrell Followed!

If you’re LDS I want to follow you. Feels like we need to come together, and increase our faith in Christ 🙌

The fact that you believe Jesus wouldn’t want to visit people all over the world is still mind boggling to me.

@Hail_Winter @therealstandage @JasontheLayman Why did you say the Book of Mormon taught that God was once a man when it clearly does not teach that?

@therealstandage @JasontheLayman Don't need to. Joey made himself the real 🤡 of the show. That's why he got arrested because he's an abusive violent man that infringes upon people's rights and abuses his authority within the cult.

Something I started noticing over time were differences between the Book of Mormon and the Bible that honestly made me stop and think The Bible teaches God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6) but the Book of Mormon describes God as once being like man and progressing. The Bible says salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9) but the Book of Mormon says “after all we can do” which is saying works are part of it too. The Bible teaches there is one God (Isaiah 43:10) while LDS teachings include multiple gods and the idea that people can become gods. The Bible says Jesus’ sacrifice was once and for all (Hebrews 10:10) but LDS doctrine adds ordinances and requirements. And the Bible doesn’t really support ongoing new scripture the same way LDS teachings do Another thing that stood out to me is how much the Book of Mormon overlaps with the Bible. There are hundreds of verses that are really similar or even word for word from the King James Bible especially Isaiah and even parts like the Sermon on the Mount. Some estimates say around 20 to 30 percent of it uses biblical language or parallels. What made me pause is that it uses the same wording and even some of the same translation quirks from the King James Bible which was written in the 1600s And then there are the historical things I never really heard about growing up. The Book of Mormon talks about animals like horses and cattle in ancient America but there’s no solid evidence they were there at that time. It also mentions steel chariots and large civilizations but archaeology hasn’t really backed that up. DNA shows Native American ancestry tracing back to East Asia not the Middle East like the Book of Mormon suggests. And “Reformed Egyptian” isn’t something we have any record of existing Something else I started noticing is that there are even contradictions within the Book of Mormon itself and that honestly made me pause. Like in Jacob 2 it speaks strongly against polygamy but then leaves room for it if God commands it. It also says God invites everyone equally but then describes certain groups being cursed with dark skin. And there are moments where things just don’t fully line up whether it’s doctrine timelines or just details in the story. The Book of Mormon we have today isn’t exactly the same as the 1830 version. It has been updated multiple times like 1837 1840 1879 1920 and later with thousands of changes. There also isn’t just one clear account of how it was translated. Sometimes it’s described using the Urim and Thummim other times a seer stone in a hat and some say a mix of both. Different witnesses even describe it differently For me it wasn’t just one thing it was a pattern and I couldn’t ignore it. Learning all of this made me step back and really question it.

Jesus disagrees.

@Truth_matters20 If you don’t want to lie, why misrepresent our theology?

I love Mormons, but I will not lie to them and pretend that their religion is Christianity. Their religion does NOT accept these truths: 1. The Bible is the only word of God 2. God's nature is triune 3. Jesus is eternal & wasn't created 4. We are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone.