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@Bufffffering

For The Animals

Katılım Temmuz 2019
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Because the left doesn't actually care about themselves morally failing if it's still acceptable to their peer group, and making woke excuses for it helps signal to their peers that meat consumption is actually Based and Praxis because of x y z reasons.
Kyle Kushblasta@SkinnyTuna

i thought the standard meat-eating leftist opinion was “it is a moral failing that i continue doing this and i should probably stop” whats with all the jumping through hoops

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@themostazezo I mean, you already admitted that if benefit you, you would keep people like me in chains since you can’t prove that other humans are conscious. Why would anyone care what you think?
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𝕮𝖆𝖗𝖓𝖆𝖑 𝕶𝖓𝖔𝖜𝖑𝖊𝖉𝖌𝖊
Vegans who cannot add reason to their empathy are just slaves to their flesh just like heartless people who torture for amusement. They may be less immediately harmful, but they reject logic over people and call into question our authority as humans which is immoral and dangerous
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𝕮𝖆𝖗𝖓𝖆𝖑 𝕶𝖓𝖔𝖜𝖑𝖊𝖉𝖌𝖊
vegans cannot definitively prove animals to be conscious. a retort could be that we cannot prove other people have conscious experience. this is correct. But I obliged to go along with my theory of mind regarding other humans as they are directly integral to my life and society.
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@Layserguy @MaskedHottiee If we look at some other issue, the guy who complains that he just gave up the n word but can’t give up other slurs isn’t really understanding the issue. He doesn’t understand what it means to be antiracist if he can’t imagine not saying the f word too. IMO.
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@Layserguy @MaskedHottiee Those aren’t the type of people we need to go vegan at this point in time. That type of mindset won’t keep that person vegan for long anyway. They’ll have to come around with the rest of the people who need lab grown meat to wake up to what they’re doing.
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@TheSandbox_i Let’s say several feminists were hypocrites and beat their girlfriends periodically. Would that make you take the principle and practice in seeing men and women as equals less seriously? What is the argument from hypocrisy?
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ShivaFan1
ShivaFan1@TheSandbox_i·
So many vegans I see have more issue with the honey you put into their coffee than in if the coffee is at least fair trade and I think that fundamentally is why I can't respect internet veganism it's the Reddit atheist of food.
rae@babybunloaf

the thing i hate most about yt vegans is stuff like when i try to talk to them about stuff like at least not eating cashews bc of the ridiculous amount of exploitation and the hazards involved in harvesting it and they refuse to even listen..

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@xX_nebz_Xx @grIgenius I was asking the guy who’s presenting he doesn’t see a different between plants and animals.
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emily
emily@grIgenius·
our desire to eat meat is not unnatural. plants are not a rudimentary lifeform and therefore a more “acceptable” life to end & consume. all living things generally want to continue living and have the biological means to do so
god’s baby@hostileworm

i would never argue with a vegan because they’re making the morally correct decision and i’m not. i don’t have any truly sound way to counter their perspective from a moral standpoint. so i just practice cognitive dissonance and eat my beef and pork and keep my mouth shut.

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doos (drink Wuliangye Jianzhuang)
@762x54RAWR ITS NOT!! “Oh it’s healthier and better for the environment” NO IT ISNT. THE PROCESSING FOR VEGAN SHIT IS 10x WORSE THAN THE MEAT PARTS Sorry I just have been in a class where this was an assignment topic and so many people thought going vegan would be amazing
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Patrick Heizer@PatrickHeizer·
@readwithai If a purely vegan diet for the globe is possible, that would mean all sustainable meat production is "icing on the cake," i.e. not a constraint.
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Patrick Heizer@PatrickHeizer·
This is literally backwards, on both counts. 1) If you want to minimize agricultural land, you need animals. 2) Factory farms need *exponentially more* resources. That's why they are more productive, they are injecting mass quantities of energy into the system, boosting yields.
Joshua Godwin@JoshGodwinArt

You are definitely not reducing the amount of cropland needed, not even compared to factory farming much less compared to just eating plants directly. Efficiency matters here because of thermodynamics. Factory farms are the way they are to reduce resources as much as possible such as land, water, etc. this is why factory farms are the way they are.

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@NathanpmYoung In this country, you can easily not pay for the flesh of these animals and therefore not pay people to kill them regardless of if they were in cages or not.
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Nathan 🔎@NathanpmYoung·
I am willing to retweet images of pigs in cages. This is a system that many of us engage in (myself included) and all we have to do is not buy it. It’s not in some foreign country.
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@forestcreatures @MaskedHottiee We wouldn’t dap up someone who only says homophobic slurs now or only beats their wife on weekends because they used to do worse. A better asshole is still an asshole. Did you try iron supplementation with vitamin C?
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sentient microplastics 🔻@forestcreatures·
@MaskedHottiee @Bufffffering like, I was vegan half of my life (i’m 40 now), and I had to start eating a non-vegan diet because my iron-deficient anemia was killing me. even now I barely eat meat. but in the eyes of some vegans, reducing your impact to tolerable levels still means you’re an asshole?
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@forestcreatures @MaskedHottiee Nope. Even under communism, choosing to kill a being who doesn’t want to die to eat them when you can eat something else will still be wrong.
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sentient microplastics 🔻@forestcreatures·
@MaskedHottiee @Bufffffering for sure!! but also, the same can be said for eating meat and dairy. which is why I get so annoyed at holier-than-thou vegans, because the problem and the ethics aren’t inherent to whatever diet people choose. the problem is capitalism.
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@forestcreatures @MaskedHottiee What we do to animals is the worst thing most of us do. What makes it worse is that it’s not an extra thing you have to do while helping others. Eating is something we do multiple times per day regardless of how we spend our time. Choosing to eat someone is a bad choice.
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sentient microplastics 🔻@forestcreatures·
@Bufffffering @MaskedHottiee me saying “shut the fuck up” to you means i’m attacking all vegans? I eat some meat and dairy but I also choose to be more ethical in other parts of my life, so idk, maybe people should be able to strike a balance that works for them?
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@jewstein3000 Go to zoos, and you would still educate others about what happens to animals. You might need to eat animals but do your friends?
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@jewstein3000 You, under my definition, could still be vegan because it’s about what you believe about animals being here for you to use as well as your ability or lack of ability to change your contribution. Vegans don’t expect you to just die. Someone like you would still not buy leather or
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Justine Barron
Justine Barron@jewstein3000·
I understand vegans and their concern for the protection of animals, but I really wish they would do something about all of the male ducks that are raping female ducks around here. Let's not stop at humans being evil.
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KTheMan
KTheMan@MaskedHottiee·
@Bufffffering Yes, I did mean start with meatless Mondays, and I should have said that
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@forestcreatures @MaskedHottiee Almost nothing related to this matter is completely ethical. It’s more of a question of more ethical vs less ethical. If you believe there is more and less ethical ways to obtain your food, then I don’t see why you’re attacking us for choosing the ones that doesn’t kill cows.
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sentient microplastics 🔻@forestcreatures·
@MaskedHottiee @Bufffffering it’s absolutely true that there’s a human toll on both sides. it’s just infuriating when vegans act as if veganism is inherently ethical. “no ethical consumption under capitalism” just means that we should do the best we can.
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@forestcreatures @MaskedHottiee Never had quinoa+ not being vegan means you financially support animals being tortured + slaughterhouse worker conditions + more people working in fields to grow crops to feed animals+ the plant based food you also eat being harvested by slave labor.
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@MaskedHottiee Didn’t you say “have meatless mondays”? That’s 1/7 days. Assuming all days equal, this would reduce meat consumed by ~14% or in the US, from 10 to over 8.5 billion land animals per year. Did you mean start with meatless Mondays?
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KTheMan@MaskedHottiee·
@Bufffffering I didn't propose that, you did. I do believe there are ethical ways to eat meat. Billions of animals being tortured and killed would not fall under that category.
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@jewstein3000 Only a fraction of people need meat for nutrition. Also, you mean you’re allergic to beans and grains? Assuming you are, most people are not. People are only held accountable for their actions when they don’t or didn’t have a choice.
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Justine Barron
Justine Barron@jewstein3000·
@Bufffffering Can you reframe that as “taste pleasure and/or nutrition”? I tried veganism and my health collapsed. I am unable to eat non-meat sources of protein, yes all of them
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