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@donkmaymay @TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks Thank for supporting my point! So then why should a consensus big board made up mainly by youtubers with no access to medicals, interviews, or in-depth knowledge of future teams gameplans (or even basic knowledge of teams schemes) be taken seriously?

@Cakeazzy @TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks NFL teams were lower on Shedeur in large part for reasons that TFG and media in general had no real access to. It is unfair to critique analysts for things they had no way of knowing about (interviews and medicals mainly)

FYI: It’s unfair to judge a team’s draft class based on Consensus Boards. Without a thorough understanding of the team’s plans for the team, players, or scheme, it’s impossible to suggest a pick is good or bad. Teams build their draft boards based on grades that project how a player will perform or contribute within their system, the Consensus Boards and media scouting reports lack that context. Without a clear understanding of the “why” behind each pick, critics are missing some key tidbits that are critical to a full assessment. In the NFL, it takes 2-3 years to determine whether players can play or not. That’s why we should reserve judgment until we see how the players perform and how teams utilize their personnel. That’s not fun, but none of us are privy to the 32 draft boards or the schematic or personnel discussions prior to the draft. We can debate who was selected and where they were picked, but until we understand the why and see how it plays out between the lines, we are still playing the guessing game.

@TexasFanVY10 @DraftVogel This leads into the point I'm arguing: Saying "Well if you just follow the consensus board you'd automatically be better!" Is retarded because youre stating that as guaranteed. You cannot quantify that with "career value" because you can't know how that player does anywhere else

@Cakeazzy @DraftVogel You are focused on individual players and not draft slots. If you would stop doing that you would see that you can normalize for position and teams and situations by doing that. You are so focused on putting a name to the spot that you are missing the answer.

Sam, there’s a media consensus board but there isn’t one that’s an “NFL consensus board.” I get that you have a product to sell, but to get mad and try to say that you do a better job than the league because of it is a stretch.

@TexasFanVY10 @DraftVogel Because names and players are what are put on the consensus big board. It sounds like you're thinking just to think here. I'll give you one more shot: Team "reaches" on player A via consensus. You can't definitively state that any other player in another universe plays better

@TexasFanVY10 @DraftVogel I'm thinking logically within the realms of what is scientifically possible in this universe. You can't assign a career value and automatically port it into another reality and definitively say that the player performs at that exact level with another franchise.

@Cakeazzy @DraftVogel It isn’t impossible. You are thinking too narrowly. You take a draft slot and track all players drafted there over the years and assign an average career value produced. If you follow consensus boards you are more likely to meet/exceed that value than if you reach.

@JackMaccdaddy @Nfldraftregs @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano I'm not white lil bro

@Cakeazzy @Nfldraftregs @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano Hey Cracker, Shedeur is going to be great. Get his dick out of your mouth. White men inferiority complexes. Yall fucking suck and will get replaced at the QB level.

@nooothewall @TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks Yeah I'm sure that's the only reason. Didn't James Pearce get drafted last year? Didn't Mike Green get drafted high? Most teams don't care that much if youre good enough at important positions to win them games. He was the 42nd out of 43 QBs last year.

@Cakeazzy @TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks The reason NFL teams didn’t have Shedeur as QB2 has more to do with off the field issues that is kind of impossible for analysts to quantify

@TexasFanVY10 @DraftVogel Impossible to quantify btw. There's no telling player B outperforms player A in the same exact situation with the same team when player B wasn't drafted there. This is insane logic. Just because a guy is good with one team doesn't guarantee he'd be good with another

@DraftVogel You have a product to sell too. You need people to believe that draft scouting is complex and individual. The reality is that if you just drafted with the consensus board you would be better off than following any individual analyst like you.

@ThePeterDragon @TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks Watch out, he'll snarkily reply to this like it's true and he knows everything.

@TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks Consensus rankings is for 32 teams - how can it take into consideration each team's system, especially if there was coaching changes ? You give a general opinion which reflects what you know - but you can't know everything about each team

@TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks Thank you for the "Literally everyone did" quote bud. This is why "draft analysis" from youtubers is basically the wild west at this point. Scamming people out of dollars and acting like you know everything lmao. Have a good one

@Cakeazzy @BuckyBrooks I don't think I'm the one who needs to chill out here. I see you aren't interested in my perspective so have a nice day and enjoy your Sunday! 🙂

@Nfldraftregs @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano He was the 42nd out of 43 qualified QBs in the NFL. That's UDFA level btw

@Cakeazzy @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano I had him ranked behind Ward and Dart. Slightly ahead of Shough, only because of age. Shough played better but he’s also 3 years older, which matters. I can’t believe I’m arguing for Sanders because I can’t stand him, but he player way better than most 5th rd rookies do.

@TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks "Literally everyone did" the media did. Do you know who didn't? NFL teams. Do you know how shadeur graded? The worst QB in 2025. My point is you "people" think you know more than you do. Chill out buddy

Literally everyone did, buddy. But I did say in December when he was consensus QB1 that this is stupid and Ward is clearly better. I was also willing to bang the drum for Tyler Shough as my QB3 and defended that pick when nobody would. So I wouldn't exactly use my 2025 QB analysis as some "dis".

@Nfldraftregs @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano He was worse than the 32nd best lmao. I didn't say he played due to injury. I said he played because everyone, including him, sucked. Him starting doesn't mean his consensus #2 qb ranking is justified. Your reply should be a poster for why "draft analysts" are scammers lmao

Most rookies struggle. They traded away their starter (Flacco) and he beat out a 3rd rounder (Gabriel). He didn’t play due to injury. I’m not a big Sanders fan, but you can’t say he didn’t perform a lot closer to consensus than team evals when almost zero 5th round rookies start anywhere. A lot of 1st rd picks don’t start as rookies. Even if he was the 32nd best. It’s still better than not playing at all.

@TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks Surely you're employed by an NFL team then? Didn't you have Shadeur as QB2 last year?

@Cakeazzy @BuckyBrooks This is PRECISELY what my content is all about lol.

@Nfldraftregs @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano You're telling me Jaren Hall and Max Brosmer also outplayed his draft position? The browns just went through every single QB on their roster lmao that doesn't mean anything. Didn't Shadeur Sanders have the worst graded QB play this season?

What are you talking about. There are 32 starting QBs in the World and Shadeur Sanders was one of them. As a 5th rd rookie. He has already massively outplayed his draft position. Almost no 5th round rookies ever see the field. Consensus nailed their Sanders evaluation and scouts/teams flunked big time.

@Nfldraftregs @BuckyBrooks @AndrewSiciliano Media had Shadeur Sanders as a top pick. Media had Dillon Thieneman going to the vikings because he's a white safety. The Media isn't as smart as you think they are

If take take out character concerns and injury concerns, the consensus is very accurate and gives teams a good idea of where players are going to get picked. You do realize that a lot of people get paid in the media to study and evaluate players. The tape is the same for teams and media. A player can either play or he can’t. The difference is that the draft analysts reveal their lists and teams don’t. So, it’s the best way to judge what everyone else thinks. Ex- you have a 3rd rd grade on a guy. But consensus is that he’s a 5th rd guy. You can probably pick him in rd 4 and not waste your 3rd rd pick on a guy who will be there at least a rd later.

@TFG_Football @BuckyBrooks You thoroughly understand all 32 teams offensive and defensive schemes to the point that you can pinpoint exact fits for something like 300+ college prospects? You should be working for an NFL team then!

@BuckyBrooks There is some truth to this with a select few players, but I think myself and most analysts who submit their boards to the consensus rankings understand how schemes work and rank players for how they will perform in the right scheme.

@ikenyonFB Mock drafters are cool and whatever, but all of you have been annoying af this offseason. You cant be an expert on every single offensive and defensive scheme for all 32 teams. You cant even be an expert on every single teams needs and what they're valuing atm. Just be humble

@ikenyonFB Why would a team care about a consensus boards where someone is posting their non-informed opinions onto something like ikenyon.football.com? Consensus doesn't account for each of the 32 teams specific scheme or player profile they're looking for.

People can diss the consensus board all they want, and teams *should* operate off their own rankings. BUT… 1. If youre taking the 240th guy on the consensus board at 100. You should trade down and take him. It’s just bad resource management. 2. If your board consistently has guys ranked 100 slots off consensus, maybe your board sucks.

@ikenyonFB It's not a hard concept to understand. Consensus might have a guy #87 and a team could have him #15. So if they "reach" for him by the consensus board at pick #45, you all would never know. You aren't in the meetings, interviews, or medicals. You aren't talking to their coaches

@ikenyonFB Yeah you can't compare fantasy drafting with 11 other retards to a team picking up specific players that fit their specific scheme/needs. There's a 500 player consensus board and then there's each individual team's board. I don't see how that's hard to understand for you "people"

I would view it like ADP in fantasy football. You can have your guys, but If you’re consistently just like “yeah, I’m going to take Josh Downs in round 3 and Kenny Gainwell in round 4, and Dontayvion Wicks in round 5…. You might have a hit. But you’re going to lose overall.