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@sarahdunham23 EO goes farther and attempts make necessary unauthorized rites: icon veneration being the most obvious. And you try to justify it (w/ anachronism) from the same obsolete covenant (Heb. 8:13) from which Paul says will make Christ of no advantage to the saint.

@sarahdunham23 It’s about binding the conscience to extra-Biblical rites that you say a person can’t be saved without. Consider, Paul says if someone accepts circumcision (previously authorized in the Mosaic economy) “Christ will be of no advantage to you.”

If faith alone saves, then why are prots so pressed about Catholics and orthodox? We have faith…how are we any less saved than you?

@anus_anon @Nickykatschu @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Lol You: Don’t make me get started on you! Me: Start. You: Yeah, walk away… Goofy as heck, dude.

@CharlesTheLessr @Nickykatschu @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Yeah, so. I thought you were gonna be my Huckleberry and teach me a lesson... Guess you cant because you can't refute Orthodoxy.

So God said don't make idols to worship them and the Orthodox gets around this command by claiming they don't worship idols they "venerate icons". Reason stated is that they are "windows into heaven necessary to be able to visually and fully grasp the fullness of the heavenly and the incarnation, which is why we NEED icons"...so that that you have something you can, worship, I mean focus on and venerate. Things like angels, saints and such...and if you don't worship idols, I mean venerate icons, then you are anathema and cut off from salvation. If you didn't already have reason enough to stay away from Orthodoxy this should be enough. Idol worship. -StayFocused #Watchman #Bible #Orthodox #Apologetics #Jesus

@Truth_matters20 “Not a single woman ate the Lord’s supper in the NT.” Lol, same bad argument. Pentecost is the Feast of Weeks. God gave explicit festal instructions for entire households. This is the audience he’s addressing when he commands the crowd to be baptized (the visible promise).

Not a single baby was baptized in the Bible.

@anus_anon @Nickykatschu @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok “Bud,” hahaha. Okay…Chief.

@CharlesTheLessr @Nickykatschu @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Don't get me started on you, bud. I find it laughable that you believe protestantism, or whatever demonstrably false denomination you proclaim, to be the "True Church."

@OfOttawa @eva_hodor @Eli_StayFocused @JPuncut "handed down to us in the Scriptures" Almost like he's talking about physical writings which are to be understood as the "ground and pillar of our faith." Weird. This is the problem with EO's speculations & anachronisms, treating the word like a wax nose. x.com/CharlesTheLess…

The “Gospel” they are referring to is the good news and apostolic teaching of Christ’s death and resurrection — not “four books modern people call the Gospel”. This is the problem with Protestants going off half-cocked and interpreting Scripture in a vacuum, detached from how the early Church actually functioned and ignorant of the meaning of words.

15 minutes in and it was already conceded and granted to @JPuncut that there is nothing in scripture that teaches the veneration, or prayer to saints, or asking dead saints to pray on your behalf. @OfOttawa basically says that it doesn't need to be found in scripture. youtube.com/live/8o-jo0nu0…

@anus_anon @Nickykatschu @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok

@Nickykatschu @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @CharlesTheLessr @Eli_StayFocused @grok Nope. I'm inquiring into orthodoxy. Don't insult me like that. Gnostics aren't christians. That was stupid as fuck for you to say.

@Nickykatschu @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Spiraling.

@CharlesTheLessr @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok "later innovation" 😂 just like your protestant branch theory nonsense. if you used your brain and clicked on the link of the video when you scroll above you would find pictures of icons dated back to the 1ST CENTURY.

@Nickykatschu @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Bad words means you're winning.

@CharlesTheLessr @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Retard doesn't understand what veneration is yet i gave a clear definition, you want me to bring up a dictionary for your 60iq brain? Fruits of Protestantism.

@eva_hodor @Eli_StayFocused @JPuncut @OfOttawa ...at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.1.1

@eva_hodor @Eli_StayFocused @JPuncut @OfOttawa "We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us; which they did at one time proclaim in public, and...

@eva_hodor @Eli_StayFocused @JPuncut @OfOttawa "He who believes then the divine Scriptures with sure judgment, receives in the voice of God, who bestowed the Scripture, a demonstration that cannot be impugned." Stromata 2.2

@Nickykatschu @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok You're equivocating on veneration.

@anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @CharlesTheLessr @Eli_StayFocused @grok Are you protestant or not a protestant? Cause showing a display of the cross still counts as a honour of respect (veneration) of Christ's death and resurrection.

@Nickykatschu @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok Don't shift; I know you EO's can't help yourself. Stay focused on the matter. Icon veneration is an later innovation that solely relies on anachronism, speculation, and question-begging.

@CharlesTheLessr @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok "Reformed Catholic" sorry what is that are you an ecumenist Anglican?

@eva_hodor @Eli_StayFocused @JPuncut @OfOttawa Your claim is that none of the fathers thought that word of God contained in the four gospels and apostolic letters were supremely authoritative and the ground and pillar of our faith?

@Nickykatschu @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @Eli_StayFocused @grok What a missed opportunity for Chrysostom to mention an icon and how to Paul was exhorting them to recommit themselves to it; how their veneration had become deficient. "Eyes of faith;" how very Protestant.

@anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @CharlesTheLessr @Eli_StayFocused @grok x.com/S54851331Smith…

@dmullz_117 @RyanHurst171 "yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it" and "by the right use of this ordinance the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited and conferred by the Holy Ghost" Not automatic, but ordinary.

@CharlesTheLessr @RyanHurst171 How are you defining “automatic efficacy” and “ordinary efficacy?”

To my fellow Presbyterians rejecting the idea that baptism confers regeneration like our confession teaches because faith is required for the sacrament's efficacy, how do you not find contradiction in the baptism of our infants then?

@Nickykatschu @JosephamillerII @anus_anon @Beomfloat88 @Eli_StayFocused @grok Whining fallacy.

@JosephamillerII @anus_anon @CharlesTheLessr @Beomfloat88 @Eli_StayFocused @grok asking for grok fallacy 🤡

@RyanHurst171 Yes. I think not only does our confession afford this, but I think this was the general understanding of the divines, as can be seen in Cornelius Burgess's notable work.

@CharlesTheLessr So would you hold that regeneration is a part of said ordinary efficacy?

@Beomfloat88 @JosephamillerII @anus_anon @Nickykatschu @Eli_StayFocused @grok No. We do not interrupt our worship on the Lord's Day to bow & kiss the cross. Rather, we, like the Apostles delivered, devote ourselves to the teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. If you want true Apostolic simplicity, come find us.

@JosephamillerII @anus_anon @CharlesTheLessr @Nickykatschu @Eli_StayFocused @grok Do protestants venerate the cross?