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@CsWiz1

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On AI and The Death of Software Engineering. Caution: much techno-speak follows. Thinking caps are recommended. 😆 I recently read a couple articles describing how to get AI to author and fully verify software. The articles were well written, but overlooked (ignored?) a couple significant issues. Writing new software is difficult. Mimicking, copying existing software is pretty straight forward. Where is new software needed? Lots of places. Porting operating systems to new processors. Running new sensors, cameras, peripherals. Driving cars. Flying airplanes. Controlling robots. Robots for surgery, for assembly lines, for personal assistants. Launching rockets. Landing rockets where you launched them. These are non-trivial projects, where safety IS CRITICAL. Verification is essential, as pointed out in the articles. And for safety-critical fields verification must be complete and error-free. In their latest AI training courses, Google emphasizes the need for verification, and emphasizes human involvement. "But," respond AI enthusiasts, "that is slow, error-prone! So we'll get AI (different agents) to verify the output!" But then, how do you verify the verification? And how do you verify the verification of the verification? Ad Nauseum. Call this "uber-verification." For simple tasks, it is simple, even trivial. But as task complexity increases, like in the fields mentioned above, verification needed, and associated effort, explodes. The overall write-verify task is a variant of the SAT (Satisfiability) problem in algorithm and complexity theory. Ask @grok to discuss SAT. It's a great read. SAT is known to be NP-Complete. That means HARD. Extremely HARD in general form. And time to run explodes super-exponentially, a fancy way of saying the variables in your system are in the EXPONENT of the equation describing how long a solution takes to be generated or run. @grok also has much to say about SAT runtime versus problem size. Humans, trained in the fields, are quite good at spotting errors, better than AI agents. So as the verification problem explodes, the need for human-in-the-loop goes UP, not DOWN. Examining software creation and verification from another angle reveals the design/verify issue and solution are also a variant of the Turing Halting Problem (THP). You are asking, "Does this program behave correctly, and does the verification system prove it?" The THP was PROVEN to have NO SOLUTION by the genius Alan Turing in 1936, 90 YEARS ago, long before digital computers existed (sorry, Ada Lovelace & Charles Babbage, close but no cigar.) And @grok could write a novel about Turing, Lovelace, and Babbage, which is also fascinating. This brings us back around to the core theses of these AI articles and shows that there are fundamental reasons these problems can never be "solved" by AI. We CAN improve on past tools and solutions, but we need to keep the facts firmly in focus: 1. While you MAY have a set of agents/prompts that work great for some, even many cases, there can be no general system to write, verify, uber-verify any problem you give it. This is PROVEN. A CENTURY(ish) ago! 2. The combination of SAT and THP means the field can have many "really good" tools etc, but NONE OF THEM will be the ultimate, universal solution. 3. This does NOT mean "don't try this." Many companies have made fantastic breakthroughs in faster solutions to complex problems. The problem in general remains NP-Complete AND Undecidable. AND ALWAYS WILL BE. But in some cases, a human in the process, in the right place, making the right decisions, yields FANTASTIC results.
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🚨 WOW! Artemis II pilot Victor Glover gives the PERFECT response to a leftist reporter asking about skin color "I hope we push that one day...it's about human history, humanity, NOT 'black history,' not 'women's history,' but that it becomes human history!" RIGHT ON! Victories for Americans and victory for humanity 🇺🇸🚀
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More Flatter Failure from Artemis II:
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Unstoppable@CsWiz1·
@hasanthehun Erm, Israel and the USA don't go around saying they are going to exterminate Iran or Palestine or Lebanon. The leadership of THOSE does say that about Israel & USA
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@Denver4VA O M G Lee chalks up another L w/ this comment, after stunts by ByeThen/OhBummer. Even govt officials (and accounts) have 1A rights. What they cannot do is FORCE us to follow a religion. BTW criminal behavior is illegal even if you do it for "religion. Blocking streets? Jail.
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@Tlaloc29445 @TeamKClark @grok Since you cannot see me you cannot presume anything. Human, probably. You can SAY what you want. It's language. But in life forcing others to do as YOU tell them has a name. It's "slavery." Instead of answering my instrument comment you start cursing? Infantile.
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Tlaloc@Tlaloc29445·
@CsWiz1 @TeamKClark @grok I'm assuming you're a man, so if I insisted on calling you "she" would you be cool with that? Dude, Instruments are essential for science, are you fucking stupid? Your eyes aren't that good to detect physical evidence. FUcking idiot.
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Libs of TikTok@libsoftiktok·
WOW. Senator Harry Reid, a DEMOCRAT, introduced a bill in 1993 to END birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. But if Trump wants to do it, Democrats call it "rAcIsT"
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@hadtosayitlol @SethAbramson Which is? 30-40 year old hearsay? If you had it 6 years ago under ByeThen why did you do nothing? Erm, nothing except watch ByeThen molest girls. Live. On TV.
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@hadtosayitlol @SethAbramson Because Dems don't investigate their leaders. We have VIDEO of The Groper-In-Chief fondling, caressing, sniffing, breast touching, all ILLEGAL. Look up sexual assault laws. Most states are explicit: ANY touch 2 ANY part is, if victim doesn't want or under age. Vids show clearly.
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@hadtosayitlol @SethAbramson Your evidence is? We KNOW ByeThen molested kids. We have 30-40 year old allegations against T, after it became convenient to attack him. I don't much like T, but cannot stand the hypocrisy from Dems.
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@Tlaloc29445 @TeamKClark @grok FALSE. Folks have been fired for failure to use "approved pronouns" As for "seeing" YOU failed to qualify. If we're going to use INSTRUMENTS 2 "see", brain scans/lie-detectors see "cognitive dissonance" in people who claim 2 be opposite sex. We SEE that. You know NOTHING.
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Tlaloc@Tlaloc29445·
@CsWiz1 @TeamKClark @grok The only people forcing personal expression on others are religious people trying to convert gay/trans people (which is not possible). A chromosome is a physical characteristic, we actually CAN see chromosomes under a microscope. You know nothing about biology.
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