@BRSBenji @blvcksnow_ So if you have a ball winning 8 with Mainoo, who is doing the line breaking passes? If you have a deep lying playmaker as a 6, who's winning the ball? Mainoo can't do either as it stands.
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David Ellis
@DavidEllis8441
Manchester United. Guitars. That's about it.
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@DavidEllis8441 @blvcksnow_ Shiiiiiet. Mainoo and Bruno with a tier one 6 or a ball winning 8? I’ll take that all day.
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We’ve had players like Matic who’s way slower than Mainoo, playing deep for 5 years, and hardly anyone complained about their pace. Same with Juan Mata. Yet now suddenly Kobbie is expected to outrun wingers and drop an 8 point rating every matchday. I pity all of you.
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@BRSBenji @blvcksnow_ You do if your 3rd MF is a free roaming Bruno Fernandes. Yes Mainoo is a connector but that's nowhere near enough on its own.
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@DavidEllis8441 @blvcksnow_ Sure but you don’t need 2 of your 3 midfielders having that as their #1 attribute. I loved Herrera but his best performance for us was him not having the ball (Hazard game). Mainoo is a connector. He always wants the ball and he keeps it.
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@angel_elixir Sort of. He would suit a possession heavy system best but I think he would still struggle unless he can improve on some of his weaknesses. If a player needs lots of specifics in place to succeed, they're probably just not that great. Mainoo is very young and can improve.
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Kobbie Mainoo profile suits better in a Pep Guardiola system or Arteta system. He thrives better in a passing system since that’s his specialty than a system that requires brains to operate or a chaotic one. This is why the England setup and Man Utd set up will expose him.
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@BRSBenji @blvcksnow_ You always need players running around, winning duels. We always did when we 'put teams away'. Mainoo doesn't offer a huge amount going forward either though does he.
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@DavidEllis8441 @blvcksnow_ Herrera and Matic were Mourinho players. That team was happy to play without the ball. He was our most successful manager but it wasnt United football. You don’t need guys running around kicking people and winning duels if you have the ball and put teams away, like we used to.
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@FPLfrasier 2 new MFs, Mainoo. Ugarte. If Ugarte leaves then we'll need a 3rd. Think we might just keep Ugarte though. Can't do everything at once.
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United fans have forgotten the concept of squad depth and having options in the squad.
I see so many tweets about midfield rebuild that looks like we will have 2 midfielders for the whole season next season. Any decent team have 4 midfield options with their manager. United cannot make new rules. They need to have 4 options.
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@kingzuri17 @blvcksnow_ This wasn't me saying Matic was brilliant for us, I'm pointing out he had some strengths, which made up for a lack of pace but yes, he was also not good enough.
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@DavidEllis8441 @blvcksnow_ Matic was part of the reason we went trophyless
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@BRSBenji @blvcksnow_ He's nothing like Herrera either though. Herrera was also excellent in duels. Also, while I really liked Herrera, he was also a bit short of the required standard wasn't he.
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@DavidEllis8441 @blvcksnow_ Mainoo isn’t Matic. His role would be more like Herrera.
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@IamnotaNigerian @blvcksnow_ Am I. This is a pretty common narrative on Mainoo.
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@blvcksnow_ @jolikaqakeza I wouldn't consider myself a 'fan' of any manager. I don't think Amorim was doing as badly as was made out. Any criticism of Mainoo is just about Mainoo though. It is ok to constructively criticise.
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@jolikaqakeza @DavidEllis8441 lol. Isn’t it obvious the criticism is mostly from Amorim fans? Y’all are using Mainoo as a punching bag for your own loyalties, not evaluating him on his performance.
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@UtdMaI Are you joking? United's midfield is totally devoid of running power and athleticism.
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🚨I’ve been scouting every midfield target linked to Manchester United and honestly… Angelo Stiller is clear. 🎯
A pure tempo controller. Elite positioning. 90%+ passing accuracy. He dictates games instead of chasing them.
No disrespect to Sandro Tonali, Elliot Anderson, Adam Wharton, or Carlos Baleba — all top talents but United don’t lack running power or athleticism.
What’s missing is control.
Someone who slows chaos, sets rhythm, and makes the team breathe in possession.
That’s why Angelo Stiller feels different.
Not flashy. Not hype-driven. Just elite football intelligence.
United don’t need another engine.
They need a conductor.
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@Classemir0 It's Liverpool away. We won there for the first time in 15 years. No issues with lower possession at Anfield if you win.
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@DavidEllis8441 38% possession against Liverpool. Amorim played pretty much the same way or actually worse than Carrick when he had to get results in big games. Theres very little success he got when trying to play progressively - because he could never make it work. It’s never been his way
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🚨👀 Lammens on Carrick: "Sometimes managers try to make a plan too complicated, and then some players don't buy in and it's difficult to get on the same level for everyone. But from the first game, it was quite clear what he wanted. "He was not asking the most difficult things, but also he was able to let our players thrive in their qualities.” [@AdamCrafton_, @TheAthleticFC]
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@Classemir0 This the Newcastle game where Amorim was forced to change to a back 4 and it was lauded as evidence he should stick to that? Spurs we were beating comfortably until last 5 mins. Leeds we bettered with a decimated squad. I'll give you Everton. Villa we played pretty well I thought
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@DavidEllis8441 We had 32 % possession against Newcastle & half their passes. I don’t remember any complaints about that unlike after every single game Carrick has won. There’s a lot of whitewashing of amorims time..I’m not buying it. Double standards
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@Classemir0 Grimsby was poor. Brentford was poor. Struggling to think of many more awful ones.
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@DavidEllis8441 Quite a few really poor performances too. The lack of consistency indicates players weren’t comfortable with the tactics or the system & the lack of results backs that. I doubt it ever felt natural to them. Mostly square pegs
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@Classemir0 No, totally agree with this but there was no real evidence that players, as a collective, weren't bought in. Results were inconsistent but performances were more up than down, this season. And work rate and effort was mostly brilliant!
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@DavidEllis8441 no manager will be successful in the long run if he can’t get players to buy into the system. No matter how fanatical he is about it.
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@jasaw83 The issue here is considering Mainoo way too much in this decision. United need to buy 2 MFs, who do everything they need in MF. If Mainoo can't fit in with that, then the issue is surely Mainoo. There isn't a MF anywhere who can single handedly cover all of Mainoo's deficiencies
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@DavidEllis8441 True, but i think we need to factor it in. If we're worried about Mainoos ability to cover ground, you dont add another midfielder with the same issue. Ideally we sign 2 midfielders and both, along with Mainoo, can mix n match as a 2.
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If we're basing the MF search on finding a partner for Kobbie Mainoo, we're already screwed.
utdreport@utdreport
Adam Wharton is behind Elliot Anderson and Sandro Tonali on #mufc’s list. Insiders expect his price to be in the £60–70m range, but there are concerns that his style of play is too similar to Kobbie Mainoo’s, meaning they may struggle to operate effectively as a partnership [@MailSport]
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Solely looking at this Mainoo and Anderson is a horrible partnership (one game sample) — Anderson having to sacrifice a lot of his game to compliment the former. Anderson | Rice works so well because they can switch roles seamlessly. This is Anderson having to do most of the work
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Elliot Anderson & Kobbie Mainoo vs Japan
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Can Angelo stiller and Kobbie Mainoo duo work?
Both players play in different position and in the midfield and both can work in a midfield pivot and 6 & 8.
Stiller is a 6 and Kobbie Mainoo is the 8. Stiller has a high IQ in picking the ball from the defence and linking it with attack.
Also he isn’t the type of DM (destroyer type) to engages in lots of physical duels and slide tackles cause he has the positional awareness to sense danger and cut it off.
He is the Toni Kroos type of DM.
And linking with Kobbie Mainoo in the midfield, who is press resistant and can also evade in tight spaces makes the duo a perfect match.
But their weakness are against fast pace teams and very physical teams cause neither Kobbie nor stiller are physical players and fast paced.
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Angelo Stiller people aren’t talking about him enough. And that’s exactly why United should be all over him. Left-footed midfielders are rare. Composed ones? Even rarer. We haven’t had that profile in years. Technically, he’s cleaner than most of the names being linked. Not flashy. Not chaotic. Just controlled. Efficient. Smart. He doesn’t play football in a rush. If you’re building a midfield that actually functions, you need that. People keep throwing him into the “CM” conversation, but let’s be clear Stiller is more DM than CM. A hybrid, yes. But his brain is defensive. Positionally, he’s levels above most options being discussed. He knows where to stand. He knows when to drop. He knows how to kill transitions before they even start. That’s not common. Now imagine this… You bring in Tonali energy, aggression, vertical play. Then you pair him with Stiller - calm, structure, control. That balance makes sense. Because right now? United’s midfield is either chaos or nothing. Stiller gives you control. Not vibes. Not moments. Control. And if United are serious about building a midfield that can actually dominate games… They should be looking at him a lot more closely.
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