Phil DeCelles
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@jakegordon_md @Platypuss_10 If I had to guess, I'd say the first officer was flying and did not reduce thrust at the appropriate time or in the appropriate amount. Note that the jet stopped descending. Not good. Looks like the captain took over and forced the plane onto the runway. Rattled some teeth tho.
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@jakegordon_md @Platypuss_10 All modern swept wing turbojet passenger planes fly the approach at Vref + 10 kts. The flaps are set to full extension. This includes the leading edge slats. The body angle is pronounced. The actual landing requires a slight increase in pitch and a reduction in thrust.
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@Philipp_Straehl @airmainengineer All true but he also zeroed out all crosswind correction after touchdown. I see that a lot in these videos. Back to basics please.
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@airmainengineer Decrabbed a bit early.
Unstabilised.
Go around.
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@Aerovances Incorrect aileron and rudder during takeoff roll. No corrective rudder and aileron during rotation and climb out. That caused the big roll to the right at liftoff. Should have had aileron and rudder set before rotation. This is taught in primary flight training. Miss that?
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@JEFESINCORBATA The pilots of the 737 wish they were in the two F15s. And yes, the F15 pilots wish they were flying the 737.
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@Pinarello_Pete @Platypuss_10 Took the words from my mouth.
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@Platypuss_10 It’s not ‘remarkable control’. It’s a very simple BUT INCORRECT technique - aerodynamic braking is NOT a recognised technique and NOT recommended by the manufacturer Boeing. It is SPECIFICALLY mentioned NOT to do it in the FCTM.🤷♂️
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@planesanity The pilots did not "mess up". The new airplane had a state of the art fly-by-wire system that "thought" the plane was landing and would not let the pilots add power during the pull up. Unbelievable that so many people survived the crash.
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@deelo190 @Turbinetraveler Also airline here. I agree, the go around would have been a good choice.
It wasn't just "the truck". He and other vehicles were cleared to cross that runway together. If you watch the video, the #2 truck stopped and reversed clear of the runway giving truck #1 room to do the same
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Airline pilot here:
I’ve made a few posts, for posterity it seems I should combine them so here goes:
I guess I should lead with the fact that I know LGA really, really well -
And having 1 controller working both ground and tower; late… on a Sunday is straight up normal. Anything you’re hearing about a controller shortage is BS. Should there be 1 guy working? No -
But it’s been that way as long as I can remember.
Second, if you listen to the audio. You can hear the controller try to stop the truck. Which means a few things. The truck took too long to cross after the initial clearance was issued. In LGA shit happens quickly. If you can’t execute you’re immediately stopped. So looking at the truck. He took too long to cross.. which means that he was either in the wrong position when he first called, or he was going too slow. BOTH are wrong. That’s problematic. So if you listen to the guy IN the truck.. he’s nervous. Classic low confidence read back. What that says to me?
He was in training.
Let’s investigate that a little further? If the fire department was going to train someone… you’d do it when it’s “quiet” right? Well, LGA is never more quiet than late, on a Sunday -
You starting to see it yet?
Now, the controller. Was task heavy already (being by himself) working two frequencies in low weather. But again, nothing new there. Especially that guy. I recognize his voice. He’s a rockstar. He can handle it if anyone can.
Now… BEFORE the incident with the truck. It’s important to understand the truck was rolling in response to an emergency.
There was already a United flight that had supposedly aborted a takeoff due to a fume event on the other side of the field.
Usually not something they roll CFR for, BUT if you listen to the earlier audio it’s pretty apparent the United flight crew was basically losing control of the cabin. The flight attendants were running that show.
The United pilots, then respond by (incorrectly) pressing the Controller for a gate -
That’s important to recognize the United crew was pressing the GROUND controller. Because it’s important to recognize that ground IS NOT in charge of gate assignments… so the United crew was pressing the wrong controller, which then put him (the controller) into a spot of trying to coordinate FOR THEM because apparently they don’t know how to do their jobs.
The controller. Went from task heavy to what we call “task saturated.”
Add that little fiasco into the truck moving slower than it should’ve been… poor radio discipline on the truck…
We’re starting to create a scenario, yeah?
Now finally the flight crew.
Could they have gone around?
Should they have gone around?
Now we’re getting into Monday night quarterbacking.
Yes to both… in hindsight.
The reality is. The weather was low. So maybe they couldn’t visually verify that the truck had crossed.
I will say, defacto; a go-around is always an option. Until It’s not. And it’s not once the reversers are out. So to be at 100kts ground speed… the reversers were out.
To see what they saw, you’d have to be in the plane with them or re-create it in a sim.
I will also say.. the truck. DEFINTELY SAW THE LIGHTS COMING DOWN THE RUNWAY.
So, as usual. Multiple things played into it.
…it’s never just one thing, right?
But…
There’s gonna be a lot of focus on the truck -
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@xAviation @BigJetTVLIVE What airport? Doesn't look like Denver.
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No go-around? No problem
Originally cleared for landing on Runway 7, a DC-9 freighter was suddenly re-routed to Runway 33 following a last minute runway change from ATC due to close trailing traffic from a 747.
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@david_palx @OnDisasters If the captain is convinced the jet will not fly, an RTO acceptable. Going off the runway at 50 kts is better than crashing at 200 kts.
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@OnDisasters 178 knots... must be something real wrong with it. Great that didn't end in the mud.

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Update on the LATAM B-777 rejected take-off at Guarulhos, yesterday. Shortly after stopping the aircraft, Captain indicated to pax that during take-off, there was a warning of "engine overheat", leading crew to abort the maneuver.
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Meanwhile, one of the passengers filmed the rejection maneuver from the cabin - this is an extract only, the full video is in the comments below
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