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@Devilshero90
The Devil of Hell’s Kitchen with a few upgrades
New York, USA Katılım Mayıs 2019
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@standev9 @Catholic_bro I would think the Apostles would understand the best. But you are appealing to an authority rather than using argument. You are basically saying shit up and do as your told. We don’t live in feudalism and you are not my lord.
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@Devilshero90 @Catholic_bro Who do you think understands the Scripture better - you or disciples of the Apostles?
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☀️Now hear this! This little horse will be at Carrier Con tomorrow~ Hope to see you all there!
Edda Hengist 🐴📚 ⏩ Carrier Con (Sun)@edda_vt
🚢This Uma LoreKeeper is off to record the annals of knowledge at @CarrierConBA SUNDAY as an attendee! Come say hi but please remember my rules~! ⚓️ Please ask before hugging/touching me. ⚓️ No photos please and thank you! ⚓️ Please don't linger or follow me around. ⚓️ Please be kind to others and con staff. ⚓️ Non-food/No-perishable gifts only.
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@standev9 @Catholic_bro I quoted scripture when I said where two or more are gathered. So my hypothesis is supported by scripture. The earliest church would be the one found in scripture no later tradition can trump it.
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@Devilshero90 @Catholic_bro You can check that hypothesis by reading what the early Church actually believed.
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@JoeSterns @Carolyn26591696 @StaciLMorrison @BibleInContext1 How can it establish scripture isnt that an argument from Catholics that the church brought scripture or collected it. Also what do we mean by tradition do we mean songs and culture or do we mean doctrine. How do we define church by beluevers gathered or church governance?
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@Devilshero90 @Carolyn26591696 @StaciLMorrison @BibleInContext1 The Bible itself establishes a three-legged stool for the faith:
Scripture - Tradition - Church
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 971) explicitly states that devotion to Mary is “intrinsic to Christian worship.”
“Intrinsic” means it is an essential, built-in part of something. It’s not optional.
And “devotion” includes prayer, reverence, and religious acts directed toward Mary.
The Catechism also promotes Marian practices like the Rosary, and Pope John Paul II went even further, calling the Rosary:
“a compendium of the Gospel” (Rosarium Virginis Mariae, §18)
“Compendium” (or “epitome”) means:
• A summary
• The essence or core expression of something
So this claim is that the Rosary represents the essence of the Gospel itself.
But when you actually examine the Rosary prayers, what do you find?
• The “Hail Mary” is repeated dozens of times, addressing Mary directly
• The “Holy Mary” part asks her to “pray for us”
• The focus is largely on Marian devotion and meditation on “mysteries” that are largely framed after Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Jesuits, and his occult guided visualization and meditation techniques
What’s missing is the actual Gospel message as defined in Scripture:
• Christ’s substitutionary death for sins (1 Corinthians 15:3)
• Justification by faith (Romans 3–5)
• Salvation by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8–9)
The Rosary does not clearly proclaim or explain these truths. It centers on repetition and intercession through Mary rather than the finished work of Christ.
So on one hand, Catholic teaching says Marian devotion is part of worship, and on the other, it elevates the Rosary as a summary of the Gospel, yet the content of the Rosary itself does not present the Gospel in the way the apostles preached it.
While Catholics say this differs from “adoration,” Scripture never includes devotion to Mary as part of worship at all. The New Testament pattern is consistent:
Worship is directed to God alone, and the Gospel is proclaimed through Christ alone by Grace alone through faith alone not through repeated prayers to anyone else.
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@Robbservations2 @Truth_matters20 You seem unable to understand the conversation. You also seem very angry and not interested in the discussion but getting some emotional reward for putting others down.
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Jesus said that John the Baptist was greater than Mary (Matt. 11:11).
All you have to do is open up your Bible and read it.
Holden Cole@HoldenCCole
God’s greatest creation.
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@standev9 @Catholic_bro That’s when we get into the doctrine of the invisible universal church of believers and the visible physical church on earth. As long as two or more are gathered in My name there My church will be. So the church is not found in Rome but in Christ alone.
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@Devilshero90 @Catholic_bro One couldn’t say that, because the Lord has built only one Church. Men cannot build another.
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@Carolyn26591696 @JoeSterns @StaciLMorrison @BibleInContext1 Again I don’t see how this has anything to do with biblical doctrine or salvation. You make a strong argument for the tradition but it’s just that an argument or inference not a fact.
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Since Mary is the apex for all the celibacies and sacrifices in the OT, Im sure God's plan wasnt subject to whims. When constructing the Bible, many things not pertinent to Christian living or beliefs weren't added. The focus of the Bible by the Church was to present the salvation history and plan from the beginning. Christianity was growing so fast and heresies springing up, there needed to be a codified approved work that could be disseminated to the ends of the earth. Because its not recorded in the Bible doesn't mean it wasnt a thing. Logic, deductive reasoning, and an understanding of the culture and faith are essential. We can draw reasoned conclusions based on evidence. One big clue is in Jesus not having a sibling who, BY LAW, would be required to take Mary in post Crucifixion
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@OrdinariateUSA @Catholic_bro Wow thank you for the sperg out. Online Catholics are so insecure. Almost like they have a weak foundation.
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@Devilshero90 @Catholic_bro Your fake churched was founded by a fat scrupulous German guy who broke his vows and edited the Bible. Where there is an Invalid Eucharist, no salvation can be found.
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@SlowpokeCon @slumbles @Catholic_bro I believe you can make anything the sacrament as long as you have the word. God does not put barriers now that being said if you have access to the traditional sacrament of course that is how you should take it.
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...so you think it's possible to do the sacraments without the proper form and matter? So no bread or wine yet you still can do the sacraments?
You basically desecrate the entire sacramental hierarchy of the Church for this example rather than saying God will provide the faithful in such situations grace by His own means rather than having them pervert the sacraments.
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@Robbservations2 @Truth_matters20 That’s not an argument for what is being discussed. Catholics believe scripture is true. Now we can go in to a long debate on scrolls and historical documents and their discovery but from a theological stance this question has no merit to the discussion
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@Truth_matters20 Prove the historical Jesus ever said that or anything else attributed to him in the Gospels….

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@JoeSterns @Carolyn26591696 @StaciLMorrison @BibleInContext1 Did this definitely happen for Mary or is it assumed? Again it’s a fine tradition but not doctrine.
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@Devilshero90 @Carolyn26591696 @StaciLMorrison @BibleInContext1 False. In the OT, vows of marital celibacy by a woman was a thing. And … it was binding on the woman permanently once her husband assented to it—even if she married again upon her first husband dying!
Read the book of Numbers.
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@OrdinariateUSA @Catholic_bro As said by Catholics so I pay it no mind once you’ve had whores in the Vatican I can’t take you seriously
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@Devilshero90 @Catholic_bro You guys have an invalid Eucharist though so not quite
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@SlowpokeCon @slumbles @Catholic_bro I think God would allow the Eucharist. He would not deny the believer the sacraments.
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Sacraments are a means, not an end in and of themselves. Baptism and marriage are the only two sacraments not requiring an ordained priest. Do you think God would hold you to the same standard living on a deserted island without any successors to the apostles nearby rather than a regular Joe in Milwaukee?
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@SlowpokeCon @slumbles @Catholic_bro Are the sacraments I accessible? In the scenario I gave? Under Catholic doctrine it would be yes.
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@Devilshero90 @slumbles @Catholic_bro Christ famously hated authority and never granted it to anyone nor asked others to respect it 🙄
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@Carolyn26591696 @StaciLMorrison @JoeSterns @BibleInContext1 Well first off this is to paint marriage and family in a sinful light. Second John was there if Jesus had siblings which I don’t see as one way or the other or how that is in connection to salvation. I can see Mary being celibate in her marriage or her having children.
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Modern Christians seem to have an issue with celibacy. The MESSIAH that every jew waited for was being carried in MARY'S WOMB! Celibacy for religious jews was a thing. Joseph who had supernatural experiences with God's angels knew what an earthshaking event was underway. Of all people, Joseph and Mary would have recognized the holiness of this physical event. At Jesus' death, he handed her care over to John. In Judaism, the next sibling would be required by law to take her in. There were no siblings
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