invs86

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invs86

invs86

@DeviousPL

London, England Katılım Şubat 2012
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invs86@DeviousPL·
1. I said I would put the time and effort in to write a Celsius recovery plan. I realise it's not possible to make everyone happy but think this is as fair as possible to all classes of depositor. dropbox.com/s/bo6urt8mld0z…
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Not A Commie@BIG_PARMENIDES·
@furryschizo Moderation doesn’t work anymore. The cheats are too advanced to be reliably caught by eye unless you have a mod watching someone play multiple games in a row. They’d have to have thousands of mods doing this.
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furryschizo@furryschizo·
Riot would rather develop the most intrusive malware ever disguised as an anti cheat than moderate their games like every other company
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@ManaByte Anyone else go one step further and wonder if it’s because they think Vanguard can scan your drives and might find something they don’t want found… 🤔
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Jeremy@ManaByte·
Why do all of the Riot cheaters crying about Vanguard and spreading misinformation about he DMA fix have vtuber anime avatars?
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@tielborlis2 @b1oominn They make a lot of money from these games though, overreaching for nefarious means would risk that and cause scandal. Of course, they could push you to use their hardware in cloud gaming, something some are also keen to see - you’ll own nothing.
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TielBorlis@tielborlis2·
@b1oominn Unless they start using it for other reasons besides cheating? Don't tell me you're one of those smooth brained nimwits who think calling out riot's actions = defending cheaters because they are also cheaters Think more than a few seconds on this and hopefully you realize
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Woot@b1oominn·
I really don’t understand why ppl are so upset about this. If you’re not cheating, you got nothing to worry about… unless 👀
Riot Games@riotgames

Does Vanguard physically damage hardware? No. Does this impact hardware or software in any ways unrelated to Riot’s games? No. The IOMMU security protection does not impact hardware, and would only impact the ability of players using DMA cheat devices to play our games. Are normal players affected? Players not using DMA cheat hardware are unaffected. Why target DMA cheats? DMA-based cheats are among the most sophisticated forms of cheating because they attempt to bypass traditional software detection by accessing memory directly through external hardware. I’m affected by this. How do I fix it? To continue cheating in other titles with this device, you may simply disable IOMMU in BIOS in the same place that you enabled it. Of course, you still won’t be able to play our games with these cheat devices enabled. Why did Riot joke about “bricking” PCs? We didn’t. The “paperweight” comment was about VALORANT cheat devices that no longer work in VALORANT. No hardware is being damaged and no other functionalities are impacted.

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invs86@DeviousPL·
@b1oominn They’re upset that it’s quite invasive - it’s designed to be that way though, because the cheats are.
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Jeremy
Jeremy@ManaByte·
Let’s walk through how that courtroom drama plays out: Cheater: "Your Honor, Riot bricked my $6,000 PC!" Riot: "Actually, we just updated Vanguard to enforce standard Windows IOMMU security protocols. If they unplug the illegal hardware cheat device from their motherboard, the PC boots perfectly fine." Judge: "Wait, so your computer works, but your specialized cheating hardware doesn't?" Cheater: "Yes! It’s property damage!" Judge: [Bangs gavel so hard it breaks] "Case dismissed. Pay Riot's legal fees." You cannot sue a company because their security system successfully detected your exploit. Riot didn't destroy anything; they just rendered a cheating device useless for cheating. If you spent thousands of dollars on a DMA card just to click on heads in Valorant, your only legal recourse is to sue your parents for giving birth to someone so stupid.
TielBorlis@tielborlis2

@ManaByte Nope, but their lawyers may be soon

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invs86@DeviousPL·
@tielborlis2 @Wickdlol That’s the slippery slope argument which is a valid one. But that’s the compromise you choose for playing their games on your own hardware. Or we go to cloud gaming and you own nothing.
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TielBorlis@tielborlis2·
@Wickdlol Then you would also be fine once they start using this method for people who get temp banned for trash talking too
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Wickd@Wickdlol·
Tons of people on the timeline "Vanguard shouldn't mess with people's PC if they're cheating" Man I wish they were allowed to fully nuke the PC of cheaters... Cheaters ruin so many games. I would have 0 sympathy if their PC went gg
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@NisiraChaosVTA @Orthus_zach @Todredmi @ManaByte As long as people understand how it works and that they’re more likely upset about the level of control kernel-level anti-cheat has it’s fair game. But the latest update didn’t make anything worse for the normal user is the key point.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@Burrito_TTV Adding IOMMU control can’t brick anything, it disables the offending hardware non-destructively. If the DMA card can’t handle the exception gracefully you might get corruption or instability - that’s it. No property damage, no lawsuit.
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Burrito@Burrito_TTV·
Todo el drama de vanguard es esto: X: Riot brickea pcs! Riot: no eso no pasó *explica que pasó * X: OK pero que pasaría si vanguard se bugea y brickea mi pc? Riot: eso no pasa X: ok pero y si pasa? No es por defender el anticheat a nivel kernel, pero es muy tonto el drama este
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@CodyBetts4 Yes, it’s a slippery slope. But the same control has been present since 2020 when Vanguard came out. And anyone without a cheater DMA card (99.9% of users) will be unaffected or affected no different than before. That is all. But you have a right to say: it’s invasive, as it is.
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Cody Betts
Cody Betts@CodyBetts4·
@DeviousPL It's such a fucking dangerous slippery slope, what won't the be allowed to see just cause "Erm, well you agreed dood"
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Cody Betts
Cody Betts@CodyBetts4·
I don't think it's in the T&A that a game company is allowed to brick your shit. Ban you? Yes. Destroy your property? No.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@CodyBetts4 There is a risk. I’d say there is a bigger risk (of malware) by installing an unknown DMA card in your system which has even lower level access on a hardware and firmware level.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@CodyBetts4 When you install Valorant and Vanguard you get a UAC prompt asking if it’s allowed to make changes to your system and there is implied consent to their TOS by installing. But yes, anti-cheat is invasive by design, and no, it’s not destroying anything in this update.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@WinterCharmVT Most of the uproar seems to be from the amount of control they have over the system - which Vanguard always had since it came out, not so much how IOMMU works (because it’s clear most of them have no idea what it is or what it can do). We know it doesn’t brick anything.
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WinterCharmVT ❄️🌨️☕️
WinterCharmVT ❄️🌨️☕️@WinterCharmVT·
Let me explain IOMMU simply. the library is hardware. your journal is the game memory. IOMMU is a lock on the journal. Some other person is the hardware cheat. This does not lock other books. This does not break the shelves. This doesn’t destroy the building. This does stop the other person (cheat hardware) from reading *your journal* That’s it. That’s what IOMMU does. Riot stopped cheaters from reading the game memory. No it doesn’t harm your RAM, PC, or even the cheat Hardware. It just blocks it.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@NisiraChaosVTA @Orthus_zach @Todredmi @ManaByte Well, yes, it’s true they do have a kernel-mode driver active on boot (you consented to when installed) and they are using IOMMU (correctly) to isolate and disable offending cheat hardware. Vanguard ran on boot since 2020 and nothing materially changed for non-cheaters since then
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Nisira Frossbren@NisiraChaosVTA·
@DeviousPL @Orthus_zach @Todredmi @ManaByte If Riot is actually going that far? Then yeah, they are overstepping their bounds by miles long. I just haven't seen anyone post anything showing that is what is actually going on. But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I just want some proof/evidence.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@fawnnivalen On reading more, the uproar seems to be Vanguard having too much control over a system due to its kernel-mode driver, which is true but has always been the case since 2020 when it came out. It’s one of those “acceptable compromises” you have to make to be able to play.
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Fawn Nivalen
Fawn Nivalen@fawnnivalen·
If you are genuinely worried about Vanguard blue-screening your PC, the solution is incredibly simple: Stop buying $200 DMA cards to cheat in a video game. Riot isn't being "too intrusive," they're finally making cheating have actual consequences. If you ruin competitive matches, you deserve to have your OS wiped.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@MrJik6 @MulbearA @vaxryy These DMA cards can be used to bypass FACEIT as well. Vanguard and almost all anti-cheat is invasive, it’s meant to be by design - everyone knew this before but the outrage is all around this latest update which actually uses IOMMU as intended.
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jik6@MrJik6·
@MulbearA @DeviousPL @vaxryy You are aware they did not create IOMMU, but it is in fact a hardware feature, yes? And they just require for it to be on now? The CS2 competitive host Face-It has required it for about a year now too. Vanguard is invasive, yes, should you trust it, idk, but IOMMU isnt related.
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vaxry@vaxryy·
riot's AC is the equivalent of stripping naked, letting them into your house, getting them to install a massive buttplug up your ass, and recording you, just to play their shit game man I hope Microslop does actually go through with those plans to lock down the kernel it'd be so funny
Riot Games@riotgames

congrats to the owners of a brand new $6k paperweight

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invs86@DeviousPL·
@NisiraChaosVTA @Orthus_zach @Todredmi @ManaByte I have spoken to him, he is one of the good ones, a Linux user and doesn’t like companies or others exercising control over the system hardware - which is a fair argument but not specific to this Vanguard update as they had kernel-level access before.
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Nisira Frossbren@NisiraChaosVTA·
@Orthus_zach @DeviousPL @Todredmi @ManaByte Dude, just shut the fuck up. You're just as guilty for even supporting people who cheat in multiplayer games to fucking start with. If you have to cheat in a multiplayer video game just to enjoy it, then you belong somewhere else like Fortnite or Minecraft.
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Grifty@TheGriftReport·
Heartbreaking act of kindness backfires: Woman stocks community food pantry with nearly $1,800 of groceries, only for it to be completely emptied in under an hour by just 3-4 people. Brashawnee Johnson filled the Opelousas giving fridge and pantry on Wednesday evening with peanut butter, jelly, frozen pizzas, canned goods, diapers and baby wipes, then posted a video asking people to “only take what you need.” Within 30-40 minutes the shelves were stripped almost bare, just a few cans of chicken noodle soup, peas and oats remained. Johnson broke down in tears when she returned and saw other struggling families arrive to find nothing left. Despite the disappointment, Johnson says she still plans to donate again.
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invs86@DeviousPL·
@MRTN_NakedSnake @ChogoSprow He’s saying that even genuine, non-cheating players have to run Vanguard which has kernel-level access and that is the unacceptable part.
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Dr. Bill Cortner
Dr. Bill Cortner@ChogoSprow·
It isn't about cheating. It's about a Chinese corporation having kernel access to your PC hardware How are you all so shortsighted?
Nic0le@nicole_clash

Just caught up on the Riot Games Vanguard drama. Yall cannot be serious right? The hate train against Riot's anticheat is obviously an attempt led by the cheaters to fool the masses into believing that Riot is 'bricking' consumer PCs. Most blatant form of public manipulation I've seen yet. They try to go the highground 'morality' route of how 'Riot shouldn't have control over consumer hardware' but that's not even remotely close to what Vanguard is and can do. It's disgusting how many people's falling for this false narrative. Do yall have brains? Wake tf up you are literally getting manipulated by the cheaters into putting public pressure on Riot so that they can have an easier time cheating in competitive games. For all their faults, the one good thing about Riot is that they have managed to keep the competitive integrities of their games up at a level far above industry standards, and they've managed to achieve that in the least obstructive way possible. Can anyone name a single instance where their non-cheating device stopped working after playing a Riot game? You can't. Because that's literally never happened. Stop falling for the fake news, retards.

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