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Jess Dunks
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Eldritch Millenial. Magic Rules Architect at Wizards. I answer rules questions online, but my tweets are not rules documents.
Renton, WA Katılım Mart 2011
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Hey all, I finally made an account over on Bluesky. If you want to follow me there, here’s the link: bsky.app/profile/wotcje…
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@JackLayers Yes, you’re getting that right. It still enters with one lore counter. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog Hi! Under Blood Moon, will Urza’s Saga enter with a lore counters? I think so because rule 714.3a doesn’t define it as an intrinsic ability (it’s more like a rule of the game), and therefore it can’t be removed by Blood Moon’s effect.
Am I getting this right? Thanks!
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@TheElk801 They don’t have to attack together, but they do have to be different creatures. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog hi, does Boris Strike-Captain’s “attacked with three or more” condition care that the three attacked together and could it count a single creature more than once with multiple combat phases?
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@ScottHevel It will lose the ability, so you can’t activate it. However, if you’ve already activated it before Blood Moon entered, it will continue to use to be an artifact creature (in addition to being a Mountain land) until the effect ends at end of turn.
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@Dunkatog Did I miss something or am I just old (see picture)? Haha
So if someone plays blood moon and I have dread sanctuary, I can still turn it into a 4/2 golem?
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Blood Moon's effect turns Urza's Saga into a Mountain, and this causes it to lose all of its chapter abilities (but it keeps any granted abilities it has already gained) and has "T: Add {R}." It stays on the battlefield, but won't get a lore counter each turn.
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Geoff Wallace@thelastgod51
@Dunkatog Could you please detail the new way Blood moon and Urza's saga interact? Lotta talk on this one.
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@ScottHevel Blood Moon removes all other land subtypes and replaces them with Mountain. It doesn’t add the basic supertype or remove any existing card types (like artifact or creature) that it has. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog I get the pausing of chapters but how does a card that says all lands become basic mountains not turn a saga into a basic mountain?
Do man lands continue to be man lands or do they become mountains only?
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@t3dy From a strictly rules-oriented perspective, a granted ability is itself a thing, and there isn't any text attached to it. If a creature gains flying, it doesn't have the word "flying" printed on it, but it has an ability. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog Oh, right, so it's a separate characteristic from the base rules text printed on the card. Does that mean the added ability has its own rules text or do we call the text that specifies the ability something different? (I was cursed with hairsplitting in a medieval philosophy MA)
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@t3dy I think you've got the idea. Although, technically, it *is* a characteristic of the permanent on the battlefield, it's a different characteristic from its rules text.
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@Dunkatog This clinches it, I think (and I appreciate your patience with my stubbornness and apparently hallucinated sources!). So the added ability isn't a "characteristic" of the card, and therefore can't be "rules text" because rules text is a characteristic.
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@t3dy Sorry, I think I'm misunderstanding. Rules text and abilities are related but separate concepts. 109.3 lists them as separate kinds of characteristics. Similar to an effect changing a creature's power, an effect adding an ability doesn't change text on the card. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog I had already been staring at the first rule you cited all morning. Still not quite understanding where it is explicitly spelled out what constitutes rules text, or that rules text refers only to the text printed on the card (and not the added ability which looks like rules txt).
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@t3dy Those quotes are not from the rules mentioned, and appear to me to be completely made up. The rules you're looking for are 113.1a, which draws the clear distinction you're asking about, and 305.7, which explains that abilities from other effects won't be lost.
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@Dunkatog I'm still perplexed by this because I can't find anywhere in the rules that explains the distinction between the rules text printed on the card, and the added ability granted by the Saga. In particular these two were making me think the added ability is still "rules text."
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Here's the full release notes, for that and more info on FIN cards and Mechanics:
magic.wizards.com/en/news/featur…
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The FIN Release Notes (link in reply) announced that the Saga rules are changing a bit. This is solely for cases where a Saga somehow has zero chapter abilities. It won't be sacrificed immediately; it stays on the battlefield but stops getting lore counters each turn. #WotCstaff
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@Giz_One_ No, a player shouldn't get an emblem in that case. #WotCstaff
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@R0b0am Hmm... that does seem inconsistent. I'll have to investigate that.
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@Dunkatog If an opponent controls Blind Obedience and I cast an Overlord for its impending cost, would it enter tapped?
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@cetiberiojr Assuming that player can afford the total cost of the ability that many times, yes. It’s a legal, though unusual, play.
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@solysg Yes it is. The -1/-1 counters can’t be placed on your creature, so moving all the counters isn’t possible. The last ability offers The Ozolith offers a choice and, per the rule you mentioned, you can’t choose an option that’s illegal or impossible. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog We and some friends have a doubt. The ozolith have a -1/1 counter and a hexproof counter. Beggining of combat trigger, is 608.2d in effect here, and "move all counters" is seen by the game as trying to put a -1/-1 counter?
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@HanweirGarrison That ruling doesn’t really make sense to me and I believe it’s an error. I wouldn’t expect Hushbringer to prevent either Syr Konrad’s ability or our new Dragon friend’s ability from triggering. #WotCstaff
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@Dunkatog so we’re getting a third card in standard that triggers off cards leaving the graveyard. If it’s a creature being reanimated and there’s a torpor orb effect out, should the leave the graveyard ability trigger?
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Piotr 'kanister' Głogowski@kanister_mtg
An interesting rules scenario brought up by @Xerk_MTGO ! Villain controls Doorkeeper Thrull. My Young Wolf dies. Should my Dredger's Insight trigger as we resolve Wolf's Undying ability? After all, it leaves the graveyard... to enter the battlefield... Discuss!
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@chookiemon Not to disappoint too much but. As much as possible, we tried to avoid creating them.
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@Dunkatog Looking forward to seeing the wacky rules interactions that may pop up from these!
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Saga creatures! Given a lot of underlying complexity, these were a spooky idea, and it was tempting to say "no, we can't do that." For rules, though, I'd rather say "Try that for a bit; let's see if it's fun. If it is, we'll figure out how it works." It turns out they're very fun
Magic: The Gathering@wizards_magic
#MTGxFINALFANTASY “Summons” are Enchantment Creature Sagas, as seen here with Shiva from FINAL FANTASY X! They allow you to utilize their powerful abilities before finishing in a blaze of glory with an ultimate ability.
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@Rob63925548 That’s really a design question rather than a rules question, but I do remember that possibility being discussed pretty early in design.
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