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@synthsheeps @LavenderGhast You aren’t the judge to decide what counts as „experiencing“. There is no entry test, it’s not a club. I don’t think it is too complex of a concept to grasp. If haters are infiltrating the fandom, the fandom needs to take a stand against them.

@Earisu6 @LavenderGhast You can't be fan of something you didn't experienced it first hand, I don't think it is too complex of a concept to grasp. If posers are infiltrating the fandom already, which only means people need to gatekeep harder than ever. Go play them first, then form an opinion.

Not wanting to play games just because you want to hang out in a fandom space for the social interaction and don't really care about the games themselves but then arguing it's actually about disability and poverty and asking you to actually play the game is ableism and anti poor is kind of....annoying. Especially when 99% the people saying it aren't either and you see they tweet from the latest iphone, have three monitor 4k set ups and talk about how annoying it is their daily door dash is always late but playing any Resident Evil game that's almost always on sale for less than one order of burgers and fries is too far.

@LeonDVine @LavenderGhast Only if you need to put others down for your own self-validation 🤷‍♀️

@Earisu6 @LavenderGhast And gatekeeping is what these fandoms need

@fcrecluse @LavenderGhast I do, I hate playthroughs with a passion. I can however understand, that other people do things differently and enjoy differently and DO NOT understand people who need to put others down. And I‘m to long in fandoms to tolerate gatekeeping cropping up every few years.

@Earisu6 @LavenderGhast Listen im sorry so many people are dogpiling you over something like this. I would simply encourage you to actually play one of these games

@KC_OnlineGaming @fcrecluse @LavenderGhast Saying we should take you seriously despite four stark refusal to consider other people enjoying different things and invalidating their OWN experiences, is exactly why you are an asshole. No ifs, no and, no buts.

@Earisu6 @fcrecluse @LavenderGhast Saying we should take you seriously despite your stark refusal to obtain your OWN opinion about the medium from your OWN experience is exactly why you're shunned. No ifs, no ands, no buts. Go play in YT comments instead of stinking up spaces where you clearly aren't welcome.

@fcrecluse @LavenderGhast That’s exactly the point: there is no bar. And „watching“ IS exposure. I pity you if you never found a game where you love the dialogue, but I don’t tell you to get out of the gaming fandom for it.

@Earisu6 @LavenderGhast I feel like the bar couldnt possibly lower than simply playing the game. Im not asking for proficiency just exposure to the thing. You are telling me people watch it on youtube and love the dialogue? "BARRY!"

@fcrecluse @LavenderGhast Saying that you decide how engagement is done and what is „enough“ to qualify, is basically the definition of gatekeeping. It’s the same old „you’re no fan if you played easy mode“-BS. Has no one learned since then?

@Earisu6 @LavenderGhast Saying that you've gotta engage with the thing you are a fan of is gatekeeping now.

@Kirito02016 @KaiKai2492 Ok, you’re just so wrong. It is like being fan of a song you heard. You didn’t understand the lyrics, you don’t remember the band, you don’t sing along. But you love hearing it.

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 Ok, you're just so wrong. It's not like being a fan of a song you didn't sing. Being a fan of a song means you have heard it, and love it. And if someone said they're a fan of football, is anologous to being a fan of games. Not a specific game.

The truth is nobody actually cares how people enjoy something. If you want to just watch a game on YT, go for it. But you can't come in and join a community for a piece of art you haven't experienced and expect people to take you seriously. People just don't like larpers, people who try to fit into a crowd without ACTUALLY engaging with what the community is based around. Being poor doesn't change that. Like people are really arguing for fandom equity it's insane. People keep using the gatekeeping false flag when it's literally the opposite of gatekeeping. We are TELLING YOU to do the bare minimum and engage with the art. But you're standing outside the wide open gate and refusing to walk through it.

@Kirito02016 @KaiKai2492 Actually you just need to care. Actually it’s like being a fan of a song, you didn’t perform or sing, or a sport you watch other people play. Somehow we understand that just watching and listening actually does a great deal, but with games we need this performative bullshit.

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 You don't need to enjoy something to know something about it, but you need to know something about something in order to be a fan of it. Being a fan of a game without playing it would be like being a fan of a song that you read the lyrics. You aren't a fan of the song.

@nuhre_ And still you want to exclude people who did exactly what you said? They „found a way“ to engage with the thing they love, that works for them. You found another way. Good for everyone.

And now the argument has somehow devolved into calling people elitist and privileged for saying: “Hey, maybe play the games before claiming you’re a fan.” Like… what? People are reacting like you just asked them to drop $3000 on a PC. Most of us were broke at some point and still found ways to play: pirating, emulating, whatever. Let’s not act like engaging with the thing you’re a fan of is some impossible luxury.

@Kirito02016 @KaiKai2492 Great, knowing is not enjoying, as I said. To be a fan, you only need to enjoy something however you want to do that.

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 This framing of my opinion is wrong. Idc how someone enjoys something when they're alone. Which is why your last question has a false premise baked in. Having a qualified opinion on something has basically nothing to so with enjoying something. It just means you know somethin

@bilboswaggends Breaking News There is no official qualification, what it means to be a fan. If you see yourself as a fan of something, because you care and spend time with however you choose. No one can tell you otherwise. It’s not ok, to claim otherwise.

🚨 Breaking News 🚨 You can’t be a fan of a video game if you never played the game. It’s not ok just to watch videos of games and never play them.

@mikewatson862 @KaiKai2492 No, I think, we just really disagree on the point of whether interacting with a game other than playing it yourself, is the same as playing easy mode and therefore old prejudice with a new label or whether that’s something to be truly rated different. Let’s leave it at that.

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 We are just misinterpreting each other I do know of the time when easy mode players were labeled posers, thankfully I think that time has passed This post is just about people who didn’t play the game at all

@mikewatson862 @KaiKai2492 I think we are disagreeing because you missed the time, when easy-mode-players were not considered fans and now finally the bar has shifted, but people still insist on there being a bar, setting it at whatever is the new „lowest ranked“ thing they don’t understand.

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 If you play one game on easy mode, skip cutscenes, and do what you just described, then you’re a fan, sure I think where we’re disagreeing is because youre not getting what the guy is saying If you ONLY watched YouTube videos of it, and never played the game once, then its larp

@IndiBayo @GGSunshiners @KaiKai2492 Yeah, that’s a problem, but you don’t need to take them seriously, I heard.

@Earisu6 @GGSunshiners @KaiKai2492 I mean so be it but most people in fact would not think of them as assholes.

@mikewatson862 @KaiKai2492 I think the bar here is whoever describes themselves as a fan, is a fan. Even if only played 19/20 games of the series, in easy mode, not care about achievements, skip cutscenes and sidequests, watch your friend play, while reading the guide, watch playthroughs

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 I think the bar here is at playing the game at all

@Kirito02016 @KaiKai2492 You have an opinion on others people way of enjoying things, despite not being in their shoes, guess only others aren’t allowed opinions? What does this perceived „qualifying for an opinion“ have to do with enjoying something?

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 Unless you play the game, your have no opinion on any of the aspect of ehat makes it a game instead of a movie. You have adopted the opinion of someone else. And as long as you cite that person in discussion, there is basically no issue

@GGSunshiners @KaiKai2492 Well, assholes will be assholes I guess. You can think of yourself as not assholes, but don’t expect others to think the same as you.

@Earisu6 @KaiKai2492 Yes, but you also don't dictate whether someone should treat you seriously or not. If they think you are a larper, they will treat you not seriously. You can still think yourself as not a larper, but don't expect others to think the same as you.

@artificial0wl Hobbies never stopped being fun, even when trolls bemoan their end every few months, when they stumble about anything they would have done differently and can’t wrap their head around not being the standard measure for a thing they love. Because only their love is true.

hobbies stopped being fun when a bunch of people want to be part of your hobby without actually doing the hobby