EdReal

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EdReal

EdReal

@Ed_Realist

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EdReal
EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@Steve_Sailer @avidseries But that SF high school had high admit rates from long before the pandemic changes, despite low achievement. Again, ending test scores allowed the bottom to drop, but it was already really low.
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Steve Sailer@Steve_Sailer·
@avidseries The top neighborhood public high school in Los Angeles County is Arcadia HS because rich Chinese moved in, so it averages about 20 National Merit Scholars per year. UCSD cut acceptances from Arcadia from 128 in 2020 to 50 in 2022. takimag.com/article/low-gr…
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i/o@avidseries·
In 2024, this 91% non-white high school in San Francisco had a higher acceptance rate at Berkeley than most of the top-rated high schools in the state. Math proficiency: 7% Science: 6% Graduation rate: 76% How did this happen? Answer: Antiracism.
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EdReal
EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@tomloveless99 Then honestly, I'm unclear how we can say that high fourth grade scores are achieving anything at all....beyond higher 4th grade scores, of course. But shouldn't we be able to point to something else to show they had meaning?
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Tom Loveless
Tom Loveless@tomloveless99·
@Ed_Realist Good question. The tests are on different scales, and assess different content so an all time high in 4th grade won't necessarily be followed by an all time high in 8th grade 4 years later. Plus IRT scoring (different weights for different items) adds another reason.
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Tom Loveless@tomloveless99·
My latest post, "Some Reasonable Goals for NAEP Scores," now available at tomloveless.com Very quick read, two paragraphs and two tables.
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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@palan57 @CongressmanGT It was a good one until they started giving it to immigrants, legal or otherwise, without a distinguishing mark.
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Peter Greene
Peter Greene@palan57·
@CongressmanGT I have a government-issued photo id-- my drivers license. Why shouldn't that be good enough for voting?
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Glenn "GT" Thompson
Glenn "GT" Thompson@CongressmanGT·
A Pew Research Center poll in August tested a variety of election rules and found that 83% of U.S. adults support “requiring all voters to show government-issued photo identification to vote,” while 16% oppose it. That’s up from 77% support in a 2012 Pew poll. Pass the SAVE Act. pewresearch.org/wp-content/upl…
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EdReal
EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@ChalkbeatNY Yeah, newsflash: middle and high school teachers are SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTED from teaching kids to read. And even if they weren't, why on earth should it be a middle school or high school gened teachers' job to teach kids how to read? Jaysus, fucking ludicrous.
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Chalkbeat New York@ChalkbeatNY·
Middle and high school teachers are “wonderful at getting most of our kids excited about reading,” Chancellor Samuels said. “But what they're not necessarily good at is teaching our kids to read.” chalkbeat.org/newyork/2026/0…
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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
You did, right here: "So essentially the solution when a kid is way behind is to lower standards." "There are standards for any class." hahahahaha. Who told you that? "Your stance is that if a kid is behind, they should only have to learn X, Y instead." Wrong. Although that's what happens now because despite your faithe otherwise, there aren't standards for any class.
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Emploice Muswashans
Emploice Muswashans@malgorium·
@Ed_Realist @tomloveless99 who said all students learn equally? what are you even talking about? There are standards for any class. In Algebra 1, you have to learn X, Y, Z. Your stance is that if a kid is behind, they should only have to learn X, Y instead. Those are lower standards.
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Tom Loveless@tomloveless99·
SFUSD has it backwards. It makes sense to offer struggling students a "double dose" of math--to help them catch up. But to double dose advanced students, with one of the math classes below their level of math, makes no sense.
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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@GarrettTardo @bryan_caplan Wrong. "A homerun in the Giants ballpark is only 300 feet, while ours is 450. We need to make ours 325."
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Bryan Caplan
Bryan Caplan@bryan_caplan·
APs are getting easier, but they are still highly meritocratic compared to not just high school grades but college grades. Most students who get an A in a college class would be lucky to get a 3 on the corresponding AP.
Michael Torres@MindofTorres

This is what grade inflation looks like. AP exams suddenly became easier. So when your local school, district, or state touts record AP participation and passage rates ... now you know why. Source: fordhaminstitute.org/national/comme…

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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
I'm sorry, are we pretending that all students can learn equally? What happens if they still don't learn is that they've learned how to keep plugging away. Or maybe just gotten up and come to school every day. "double dose of algebra", the treatment in question, has been around since the 90s. there's no "what's happening in public schools around the country". It's been happening for decades, during all the time that reformers said educaiton was good, when they said it was bad, and today. Public education isn't swirling down the toilet. It is what it is.
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Emploice Muswashans
Emploice Muswashans@malgorium·
@Ed_Realist @tomloveless99 So essentially the solution when a kid is way behind is to lower standards. And what if they still don't learn or even give a shit enough to learn? This is what's happening in public schools across the country, and why public education is swirling down the toilet.
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Analytic Valley Girl Chris
Analytic Valley Girl Chris@ChrisExpTheNews·
AP is stuck in the same arms race. High school kids can take online 101 courses at community college and chatgpt their way to an A. At some point you have to be able to sell kids and parents on "take the harder class and not guaranteed credit", and you can only make it so hard
Bryan Caplan@bryan_caplan

APs are getting easier, but they are still highly meritocratic compared to not just high school grades but college grades. Most students who get an A in a college class would be lucky to get a 3 on the corresponding AP.

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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@esanzi And working for Mexican American farmworkers, pushing the unions to help not just the well-paid but lowest paid workers, are bad core values?
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Erika Sanzi
Erika Sanzi@esanzi·
@Ed_Realist It's marketed as "character education" and the ELA and Social science curriculum in K-8 include "embedded social emotional learning competencies aligned with Cesar Chavez' core values."
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Erika Sanzi@esanzi·
I'd just like to remind everyone that there are K-12 curriculums built around Cesar Chavez.
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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
Stop believing they can "catch up". There's no such thing as "1 grade level behind", really. It just means they aren't at the same ability level as an average student their age. Slow down math instruction, give them less to learn and give them practical applications so they have a better grasp on what they do learn.
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Emploice Muswashans
Emploice Muswashans@malgorium·
@Ed_Realist @tomloveless99 ok, so you have a kid who hates math but is also at least 1 grade level behind. What's the solution other than trying to catch them up with more math?
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Ilana
Ilana@NYC_essentialSW·
@SilverHollowsz It’s 2 nights. Still seems high. I just feel like if it can’t be subsidized they should choose something cheaper. I know have to pay $1450 fo my kids to go to DC for the weekend??
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Ilana@NYC_essentialSW·
The local public middle school takes the kids on a trip to DC and the cost to parents is $725 per kid! I have twins. I feel like this is an insane amount to expect of a public school family. I brought it up in the parent group chat to crickets. Maybe I don’t belong in the burbs
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Angela R. Watson@AngelaRWatson·
Here is the first release of findings from our new data from Rand ALP. See @The74 for the story out today. 3 out of 4 homeschooling parents would use public funding if they had access. But more than half don’t have that access. education.jhu.edu/edpolicy/polic…
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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@arotherham ....because Moms for Liberty and teachers unions have had such great success in changing school policy? Not that I've noticed.
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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
@palan57 @joshcowenMI And then opportunists will create "private schools" that are just voucher hoovers.
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Peter Greene@palan57·
@joshcowenMI Just once I would love to see a choice advocate take schools to task for rejecting voucher-bearing students. The movement continues to prioritize the "freedom" of voucher schools over the "choice" of students. It's as vouchers are meant to serve private schools, not students.
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Josh Cowen
Josh Cowen@joshcowenMI·
Number 1 is completely incorrect. Users will be skewed even more toward wealthy than applicants, as private schools reject applicants they don’t want. Especially true for higher-end voucher schools. The priority framework doesn’t solve this—allowing private schools to reject kids is the trap door that the framework falls through.
Travis Pillow@travispillow

Two points about this: 1) Due to SB2’s prioritization framework, the applicant pool and the participant pool will look different - latter will be more disadvantaged 2) Highlights the need for new & expanding private schools serving low- and middle-income Texas communities

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EdReal@Ed_Realist·
Oh, I agree. I'm not saying AI doesn't make stuff up. But the specific practice of giving utter crap links related to a previous discussion in same chat is a Claude issue. It should instantly stop the chat, particularly when it's pointed out. Instead it apologizes and then provides cites with the exact same bad links.
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Robert VerBruggen
Robert VerBruggen@RAVerBruggen·
@Ed_Realist ChatGPT makes stuff up all the time, but I don't think it's ever given me links that are totally unrelated, so that might be a weird way the problem manifests specifically with Claude.
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Robert VerBruggen
Robert VerBruggen@RAVerBruggen·
Hope this is true. Until now, AIs have been less willing to say "that is a fact I do not know" than my family debating some random BS in 2000 without cell phones.
Alex Tabarrok@ATabarrok

Hallucinations are like six fingers, pretty much a thing of the past. Claude just told me: Honestly, I want to be careful here — I'm not confident enough in exact wording to quote precisely without risking fabrication. I'd rather not manufacture something vivid...I can point you there with confidence, but I'd want to look up the exact passage rather than quote from memory.

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@Steve_Sailer @avidseries @tomloveless99 @palan57 @CongressmanGT @ChalkbeatNY @GarrettTardo @bryan_caplan