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@SpencerGuard We may soon need to add South Korea to that list. Possibly also Japan.

Good, glad to see people understand the consequences of not supporting all three. “Poll finds strong support for arming Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan” defensenews.com/congress/2023/…

@sentdefender I dislike him. Very much. But he's right. Some sort of comprehensive security solution is needed.

The Israeli Minister of National Security and Leader of the “Otzma Yehudit” Party, Itamar Ben-Gvir has stated that he and at least 6 Members of the Knesset will Leave the Coalition Government if any kind of Permanent Ceasefire is Agreed upon with Hamas; further stating that Hamas must be Totally Eliminated if the “Black Sabbath Disaster” is to not happen again.

Let me make this simple: For anyone with any shred of a moral compass, here are the reasonable and debatable positions: 1) What occurred on 10/7 was a horrific and indefensible crime against humanity. The continuing attacks cannot be accepted. Hamas’ destruction is a necessity to ensure it does not happen again and to provide a path forward for both people. Israel must do whatever it takes to pursue that goal, but it should try to minimize collateral damage as it does so. 2) What occurred on 10/7 was a horrific and indefensible crime against humanity. However, the cost of eradicating Hamas has proven to be too great due to the tactics they employ. Israel should continue targeted efforts aimed at Hamas and should bolster their defenses, but will have to accept them staying in place for now and risk further attacks to try to save other lives. We should find a way to force Hamas to release the hostages. I happen to believe 1 is correct, but we can have that debate. What is not an acceptable position for anyone with any sense of human decency and we should stop indulging or normalizing people who are advocating for it: 3) The mass murder, mass rapes, torture, and kidnappings of 10/7 were justified resistance (despite also refusing and denying such actions occurred) and the real problem is just Israel’s refusal to not just accept their own annihilation. “Zionists” are clearly the bad guy based on a worse-than Wikipedia knowledge of the last 75 years and ignorant invocation of terms like genocide and apartheid. Palestinians have zero responsibility to make any effort toward stopping violence or destruction, and everything they do and support is justified. Those advocating for #3 are not reasonable people who are worthy of debate or mainstreaming. They should be social outcasts in any respectable society. Hope that clears it up for people.

Today, November 30th, is the Day of Commemoration for the #Jewish refugees who were expelled and ethnically cleansed from Arab countries and Iran. We must never forget this historical tragedy. #ExpulsionDay

@SitiXen @NOShea_1 @tribecamom @SurZeit @ObsDingDong @EinatWilf @JohnEdwardsJon1 It does, when it is done in a defensive war. In a defensive war, your adversary evidently behaves aggressively. You then have the right to occupy lands necessary to keep your own country safe. And Jews and Arabs do coexist in Israel since 1948.

@NOShea_1 @tribecamom @SurZeit @ObsDingDong @EinatWilf @JohnEdwardsJon1 But I would also ask if u intend to imply that taking by force makes “right”? And, when did Jews and Arabs start being unable to coexist in the land we now call Israel, which before was Palestine, & before was Ottoman, etc?

One of the biggest and lesser known stories of Nov 29 is that the lands allocated to a Jewish state (two color map) were essentially those the Zionists reclaimed from malaria through land purchase, science and education (blue map). Moreover, the sudden and extremely rapid increase of the Arab population in the 1920’s and 1930’s in this barely populated backwater region (this was the highest population increase rate in the world in 1931/2) was only in part due to immigration spurred by Zionist development of the land. The major share of the massive Arab population increase was thanks to Malaria eradication, which was the work of the Galician born famed microbiologist and ardent Zionist Dr. Israel Kligler (credit to the great historical work of Anton Alexander). With this knowledge it remains even a greater tragedy that the now much more numerous Arabs of the land directed their efforts towards brutally fighting Zionism rather than choosing to live side by side with an emerging Jewish state. In the shadow of the Oct 7 massacre we mark once more the Nov 29 moment when the Jews said yes to the UNGA plan of partition (having prioritized having a state, even if tiny and mostly desert and lands reclaimed from malaria and no Zion and no Judea) and the Arabs said no and proceeded to wage a brutal war to the present day (having prioritized - still - the goal of the Jews not having a state at all and of any size). (Note on map titles: for twenty centuries, before a camoaign of denial was underway, it was well understood that the name “Palestine” merely denoted the geographic region where the Land of Israel was and was therefore deeply associated with Jews and the their continuous connection to the land. Hence the League of Nation in establishing the mandate recognized the “historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" as the "grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country” and which is why the Palestine Philharmonic Orchestra of Jewish musicians became the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra…)

@SitiXen @tribecamom @SurZeit @ObsDingDong @EinatWilf @JohnEdwardsJon1 And because it was necessary for security reasons, at first. Have a look at Israels on a map and you'll understand. (Hint: it's small. Really small.)

@tribecamom @SurZeit @ObsDingDong @EinatWilf @JohnEdwardsJon1 Yes, they left. I was referring to the “keeping” from 1967 to 2005, or so when they left.

@SitiXen @SurZeit @ObsDingDong @EinatWilf @JohnEdwardsJon1 The conflict has it's roots in the 19th century, with the Ottoman modernisation drive. They didn't live in peace before Israel. The first pogroms happened decades before 1947. You could even say the partition plan became necessary because of the conflict.

@SurZeit @ObsDingDong @EinatWilf @JohnEdwardsJon1 But why keep lands (West Bank and Gaza)? And are there no reasonable causes behind any of the adverse sentiments toward Israel? Any? Did Jews and Muslims live peaceably before Israel? What caused the turn?

In today's #vatniksoup, I'll introduce an American social media personality, Samantha A. (@zukosmadre). She's best-known for anti-Imperialism (but only when it comes to the US), and for her hot takes on the Russo-Ukrainian War and the conflict in the Middle East. 1/17

@LasseSocker Helt ok. Sosseväljare är inte detsamma som S-partirepresentant.

Hur känns det att var tredje person ni möter på stan är sosse?

“With their money, they [the Jews] took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others.” - Adolf Hitler, 1938 … Just kidding, this is from the Hamas Charter. It’s never was simply about ‘resistance’ now was it?

@HeartsForIsrael They deserve a slow and painful death, to be sure. But Israel is better than that.

@owenil SD har alltid varit en orosfaktor. Det är bara det att mellan SD och V+S+MP, så är de senare en betydligt större sådan. Medan SD stadigt vandrat mot mitten och uteslutit västfientliga element, så har de senare tvärtom inkorporerat fler sådana.

Det finns ju en (om än svag) förhoppning att SD:s ständiga radikalisering ska få även de borgerliga att förr eller senare vakna och inse vem de tagit med i båten.

Spain, Belgium... Please depose your leaders. You're bringing shame to us all.

@DrewPavlou The antisemitic pogroms began much earlier than that.

This is a historical lie. The Great Palestinian Revolt (1936-1939) was a massive resistance movement against Jewish immigration in the lead up to the Holocaust and it prompted the British to severely restrict Jewish migration to Mandatory Palestine all throughout the Holocaust

Important Left Party member creates moral equivalence between Jews and islamists. This is all you need to know about the left party. The horseshoe is real.

@Alsadius @adelamr92 @mattyglesias Agreed, that's just how it is. My grandparents belonged to the latter group. They were displaced. Became refugees. They accepted it and moved on. Stopped being refugees.

@Essential_O @adelamr92 @mattyglesias I was more trying to distinguish between voluntary migration and forced (or at least "strongly encouraged") migration. The voluntary and peaceful ones will plausibly maintain their rights to move back, but the forcible ones mostly won't.

It seems odd that there’s one UN agency for Palestinian refugees from the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and their descendants and another UN agency for all other refugees from all other conflicts.

@JustLuai It will take time. Palestine will need to be supervised for a couple of decades. And not only because the Palestinian population needs to chill, but also because they need to feel there is accountability for Israelis as well as themselves.

I used to believe in a two-state solution before coming to Israel. After listening to victims, journalists, politicians, Arabs, and Jews, the idea of a two-state solution sounds a bit delusional to me now. What are your thoughts?

@Alsadius @adelamr92 @mattyglesias Yeah, I get it. Would you mind clarifying your perspective on the difference between the migrations during and after the war?

@Essential_O @adelamr92 @mattyglesias I'm referring more to the various less-than-voluntary migrations of the postwar era - India/Pakistan, Germany/Poland, etc. But yeah, that's an important point too.

Important questions: 1- Is Hamas a Palestinian national, resistance, and liberation organization, Or is it a savage group waging a HOLY WAR against Israel? 2-Was the Oct. 7 attacks terrorism motivated by political hatred or it was an ethnic cleansing based on racism and religious hatred? 3-Is Hamas guilty of using civilians as human shields? 4-What is Hamas's priority goal? Civilians and state or a global ideological dominion? 5-Could any future Palestinian state that includes Hamas coexist with the state of Israel? 6-If Israel doesn't succeed in removing Hamas from power, what the next war will look like? 7-Is it possible to achieve long-lasting peace in the Middle East as long as Hamas has the power to destabilize security in the region?

Åkessons förslag är enligt @MagnusRanstorp kontraproduktiva: ”När man går så hårt mot en religiös grupp skapar det en känsla av att de är utsatta och pressade. Ju mer pressad en grupp känner sig desto mer ökar radikaliseringen och polariseringen.” Läs: dn.se/sverige/terror…