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@KingBootoshi 10x is a big overstatement if financial ruin is not in your KPIs

anybody who seriously uses AI at this point deeply understands this shit is not replacing humans in anything because we are all working 10x more since we are 10x more productive everyone is just going to operate at a new layer that was never seen before and it's MARVELOUS

@_Morcules @ptr_to_joel You'll have to actively fight it to get exactly what you've written. But you won't usually want exactly what you have in the source anyway.

@_Morcules @ptr_to_joel It amost never does. Compile the thing and check the asm, it does whatever the hell it wants to. You'll find that you have to express things a certain way for portability just for the compiler to compress it into like 5 instructions and do a slightly different thing.

go was like 30 years late for today’s standard its type system sucks and its concurrency also sucks c also sucks don’t let these larpers fool you

@TimRedBrother 3) Дурка. Она будет первой.

Кто первый? 1) СТО заменит меня нейронкой 2) Я заменю СТО нейронкой

@NaMi____NaMi @kleschby Предлагаешь нечто ещё более мутное FYI

@kleschby Ну и вообще не используй всякие мутные библиотеки. Слышал про musl?

Когда я слышу что ABI в Linux не стабильно - это 🤦. В Linux как раз наоборот ABI стабильно на уровне системных вызовов ОС (в отличие от Windows где используют костыль ntdll.dll) и они не изменились за кучу лет.

@kleschby @NaMi____NaMi Не буду я статиклинковать весь опенссл в каждый угол, где он пригодится. Соберусь с чем надо разок просто и не буду комедию ломать. Вещи, которым действительно нужно разок запуститься и никогда не меняться, можно и статически, но давай найдём такое в пуле того, что ты используешь

@NaMi____NaMi Ты предложи статик линковку в среде фанатичных линуксоидов - они тебя распнут :) Так то да, это нормальный способ.

@kerckhove_ts You might be confusing what "deterministic" means then

"Compilers are deterministic" Lol nope! (but I agree with your conclusion.)

@PrateemMandal @kerckhove_ts They are reproducible in Nix, that's the entire point of having it. You get the same hash for the same inputs, and *I'd argue* that's because it's deterministic.

@kerckhove_ts Yeah, I learnt it the hard way making builds reproducible in Nix. Agree with conclusion but most things we ever built, never understood completely. We pushed our ignorance. LLMs allow us to push it more. The complex Nix build scripts I write today, I could never without LLMs.

@__JoshuaJRoot__ Dw it's clearly a slop post

@elormkdaniel I wouldn't exactly call an application that includes a bundled no JS runtime and chromium "lightweight"

Visual Studio Code (the blue one) is a lightweight code editor. It’s fast, minimal, and built for flexibility. You open it, install a few extensions, and you’re writing code in seconds. It doesn’t try to do everything it lets you decide what features you need. The purple one, Microsoft Visual Studio, is a full-blown IDE (Integrated Development Environment). This isn’t just an editor it’s an entire development ecosystem. It comes with built-in compilers, debuggers, designers, testing tools, and deep integration for languages like C#, .NET, and enterprise-level applications. So what is the “purple one” actually used for? It’s what developers reach for when they’re building large, complex, production-grade software; think enterprise apps, desktop applications, game development (especially with Unity), and systems where debugging, profiling, and tight integration really matter. In simple terms: VS Code = quick, flexible, lightweight Visual Studio = heavy-duty, structured, all-in-one One is like a high-performance motorcycle. The other is a fully equipped workshop. Both are powerful but they’re built for completely different kinds of work.

@zudwa_bytes @vital_pavlenko Если хотят каких-то хитрожопых интеграций, то нет, но там и завайбить не выйдет без понимания того, что нужно сделать.

@vital_pavlenko Эксель не решит их проблемы?

Зашел в тредс, а там вайбкодеры программистов отменяют

@Plebian_2 @bobby_mcgi54028 @IceSolst @bitsadventures Higher abstractions don't make the underlying layers disappear, nor do they render them counterproductive to learn and reason about. Abstraction just makes it easy to spawn mountains of what would be considered slop just one layer below.

@FormerlyNoAcc @bobby_mcgi54028 @IceSolst @bitsadventures If assembly is the level you're on, you'd better review it. But even if you are operating on higher abstractions, it's still useful to know the underlying details. Knowing how Java bytecode works helps me tune JVMs to C-level performance in the cloud but I'd rather use Clojure!

Interesting article on treating agent output like compiler output (and why) skiplabs.io/blog/codegen_a…

@bobby_mcgi54028 @IceSolst @LittleKeegs0 We'll just generate more red-green and pretend like it's a proof of correctness and quality, don't worry, the industry has it all figured out already

@IceSolst @LittleKeegs0 Okay, but we don't have tools good enough to verify correctness without significant human intervention.

@IceSolst @sokacsavok Given the clear insufficiency of red-green in the wild and in experience of everyone that I know is worth their money, it's kinda wild that some folks go around pretending like they don't need to do their job just because they can delegate some tedium and sometimes get an OK out.

@IceSolst @sokacsavok Compiler is not going to cover your FRs. Tests aren't going to cover your NFRs. Benchmarks kinda cover some NFRs. I generate quite a bit, enough to know you gotta watch what falls out and then go in and hand-edit it into something worth pushing, if it is indeed salvageable.

@raxpost @sergeax Лол

@sergeax мнение философов тут никому не интересно, огромное кол-во работ по нейробиологии с доказательствами наличия у других существ признаков сознания. больше параметров - лучше способности, все как у моделей

Меня честно говорят совершенно утомила истерия вокруг тезиса, имеет ли AI сознание. Но она будет продолжаться, потому что чем выше у человека эго, тем тяжелее ему признать, что ничего особенного в нем нет. Вся эволюция нервной системы - это уметь предсказывать токены

@slimjimmy At some point the larp will be over and they'll finally crack open the compiler output and compare it to the source. Will resemble it (probably!) but one look is usually enough to see C is massively abstracting what's actually gonna happen. You sometimes can tell what's gonna.

if you believe this, you should not be writing C

@ibuildthecloud >On top of it, the assembly that's produced by compilers is so optimized and confusing that you can't even understand it Once again: you not being able to read doesn't automatically mean everyone else is illiterate.

We're definitely going to get to the point where handwriting code doesn't make sense. Similar to handwriting assembly doesn't make sense. But the analogy breaks down. Developers don't really know assembly and they can't really review assembly. On top of it, the assembly that's produced by compilers is so optimized and confusing that you can't even understand it. For AI the code that's being produced, the developer needs to understand it could have written it themselves but it's just not as efficient or safe to do so. AI is not a new abstraction layer. It is a tool to create something you understand. We still need people to understand the mechanics of coding. We still need people to learn these skills and these are important skills. And even with the power of AI, you can't get away with not knowing these skills if you want to be effective. As always, there'll be people who try to take shortcuts and they'll get short-term gains and then it will fall apart.

@bencun93 @IceSolst They just don't want the jerb and that's it

@IceSolst But compilers are deterministic actually ends this stupid argument once and for all. It's so simple

@bobby_mcgi54028 @IceSolst @bitsadventures Not even in the same ballpark of severity. It's nondeterministic enough that you *should* read the output. If you don't read it, you shouldn't be pushing it, and if you still push, you should be fired.

@bobby_mcgi54028 @IceSolst @bitsadventures Usual deflection is having sufficient red-green, but that's just writing it yourself with extra steps. Truth is it won't produce great code like 99% of the time and if you're not reading it, well... Not being able to read the assembly is a way way way lesser sin.