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@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa In this case the biggest criteria would probably be anything traditionally unconventional or transgressive. It's not required, but they will absolutely hate on anything running counter to that, i.e. something traditional, conventional, or unapologetically appealing to men.

@GithVes @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa And what would their terms be?

a bunch of bored people have picked fefe as the socially acceptable target of the week

@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa They didn't at the height of those crusades. I know. I used to be a leftist & speaking against them only led to ostracisation. Lefties don't hate sexy women, but they absolutely hate sexy women who don't do it on their terms, or even do it counter to their terms.

@GithVes @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa Yeah well, a lot of left people also think those “crusades” are stupid. Body positivety’s a big thing here, and that includes conventionally attractive women. The belief itself of “all lefties hate sexy women” is formed from having never actually talked to one. Ignorance.

@grock1199 @ettingermentum & unfortunately for the left, there's no putting that cat back in the bag.

@ettingermentum It thought that there was a way to critique whiteness without causing an extreme overreaction from a large percentage of the country. Some people got politically activated who wouldn't have ever voted in their lives due to stuff that seemed to overreach like "Dear White People"

For those of us (nearly everyone) who recognize Woke 1.0 as a failure, what’s something specific you’re willing to say it got wrong? Here’s mine: the practice of describing policies that were, like, Kerner Commission recommendations as “prison abolition” to get attention was dumb

@carsplaining @ettingermentum They retroactively proved their worst enemies correct by moving onto Union generals & Founding Fathers once there were no more Confederates.

@ettingermentum Tearing down statues of Abraham Lincoln was a surprise to me. You all went absolutely crazy and most of you still are.

@dkdetectionunit @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar No, there are plenty of other types of men who use that word for a variety of different reasons. You're being silly & clinging to a flimsy strawmen, mate. Come on, now.

@GithVes @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar There are exactly two kind of men that will call women whores, or agree with such: men who hate women, and men who've been cheated on. Being mad about real women reveling in their sexuality while making fictional eroge indicates the problem isn't the porn, it's women enjoying it.

Pippa is entitled to her retarded opinion. Things have changed in the 6 or 7 years since Projekt Melody was openly promiscuous. We, as a society, don't want open degeneracy from whores anymore. Under Biden, we saw how disgusting that path was and now we want to go back to shaming whores and removing the abnormal shit that has made everything worse.

@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa It really is. We all saw the Sarkeesian crusade & those that followed. We've all seen the repeated instances of "Your goonerfu is too white, too busty, & too conventionally attractive," BS.

@GithVes @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa Really isn’t. In many of the circles I’m in, the horny that goes on is not what I’d call “safe horny” and all of them are primarily left wing circles.

@Samuel_Lipson @ettingermentum I'd say a far bigger obstacle in the pro-gun control position is the blatant criminal apologia & the willingness to adopt violence too quickly. In all honesty, the pro-gun control narrative has never recovered from the excesses of the Summer of 2020.

@ettingermentum The maximal language on gun control blunted the momentum of obvious and broadly popular regulations I like gun control as much as the next guy but you're never gonna convince people to give up everything short of bolt-action rifles with how armed to the teeth LEOs can be

@MeritManiac @audoidzollern @ettingermentum Mate, if there was any of that in any appreciable amount to the concept, it wouldn't be nearly universally reviled like it currently is.

@audoidzollern @ettingermentum How about human decency?

@ya_durachek @SHCBTJH @ettingermentum Does it feel like ppl are memory holing the transgressions? Or are they doing the far more logical thing & nursing those vigilant resentments a little more every time they're gaslit on the topic?

@SHCBTJH @ettingermentum Modern people memory-hole things that happened a week ago. Woke people will be fine.

@dkdetectionunit @S3DigitalActual @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar I agreed w/ your take that the puritanism is bad, but you're leaping to some really egregious strawmen there. It's entirely possible & not at all crazy for someone to want a little self-aware boundary placement.

@S3DigitalActual @GithVes @9Ironhide82833 @TemplarsRoar No, you're disgusted at women doing things you don't approve of. Come on, brother. This whole thread, this entire sentiment is a bunch of incels deciding that women shouldn't be allowed to profit from something they can't have for free.

@NiccoRex @ettingermentum The penultimate line is really true. There are whole swathes of millennial & older gen Z men who will never go left ever again b/c of it.

@ettingermentum It got everything wrong. The world model was all post-hoc, the tactics broke informal rules of engagement, it damaged most economies, and it provided a strong enough signal for RWers to see the egregore properly. It was crypto commies' first death knell

@dnlklr @ettingermentum Lindsay Ellis mentioned something like this a few years ago in a video talking about the refusal of leftists to identify problems in-house b/c, for all its faults, the right is really good at turning terms against themselves, just like the two you mentioned; "SJW" & "Woke."

@ettingermentum I liked how there was always a cadre dedicated to categorically denying that there was even such a thing as ‘woke’ or ‘sjw’ “Oh. ‘SJW?’ You mean not being a total garbage person?”

@disclosure2x @fightinbobbyl @ettingermentum If the larger leftwing movement would drop it (& the ludicrously stupid open borders apologia) they'd be A LOT more competitive, but they won't.

@fightinbobbyl @ettingermentum You know how rare it is for a progressive / liberal to let go of this and say this out loud? We agree on probably nothing outside of this but you have my respect

@MKP_vt @kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa It doesn't take an echo chamber, it just takes being able to remember the 2010s where leftwing feminism was incredibly puritanical. It largely still is if you're not cruising in the extremely narrow "safe horny," lane.

@kokoromugenAW @pipkinpippa If you genuinely believe all this, then you are FAR gone into your little anti-woke echo chamber dude.

@Spacekeybordkat @YuriTheScarling @Terra_isGreat @pipkinpippa I'm generally on your side on this issue, but he has a very good point when talking about public perception. It's one thing if it's just some random layman w/ the wrong idea, it's quite another if it's someone at the helm of a payment processor or mod team.

@YuriTheScarling @Terra_isGreat @pipkinpippa Cosplaying and Vtubing isn't in need of white knights defending its honor, and purity. This is silly. If few blindered dumbasses have a misinformed opinion about something that's their problem, not the industry's/

@Gekiphy @GigaSiwa "better themselves." Turning yourself into a boring, cringeworthy wokescold a la iDubbbz is the very opposite of that.

@GigaSiwa Pippa was their "le based" queen. She said edgy shit and her audience kinda formed around that. Then she realized people dont like that kind of weird shit around them so she's been trying to distance herself from just being edgy. Chuds hate when people better themselves.

What dafuq is going on. Why are the chuds going against pippa

@9Ironhide82833 @dkdetectionunit @TemplarsRoar He was exaggerating. The point is it's not a popular stance. Again, nobody likes preachy finger-wagging moralisers. Being that is what lost the right the culture war before, it's what lost the left the culture war recently, & if you keep it up, it'll lose it for you too.

@GithVes @dkdetectionunit @TemplarsRoar He's wrong because he boldly claims that nobody agrees with this stance when many quote retweets and responses to Pippa and Fefe's tweets blantly say otherwise

@TemplarsRoar Mate, you're gonna surrender all initiative in the culture war if you keep this up. Nobody likes preaching finger-wagging. It's what lost the right's initiative in the '80s & '90s. It's what lost the left's initiative in the 2010s.

@9Ironhide82833 @dkdetectionunit @TemplarsRoar He isn't wrong. Trying to play finger-wagging evangelist w/ this is just going to kick the culture war ball back into the left's court. You are not going to shame ppl out of this, b/c the cultural infrastructure to make it work doesn't exist. You're just going to piss ppl off.

@dkdetectionunit @TemplarsRoar Nigga, shut the fuck up

@BastardGrimm @MattWalshBlog Not going to work now that he's done a 180 on many of the platforms that won him that election.

@MattWalshBlog The type of rallies that won him the election.

I’m actually pretty pissed at how badly they’ve bungled America 250. First they tried to invite Milli Vanilli and a bunch of other absurdly washed up geriatric one hit wonders. Then when that didn’t work they decided to convert the event into a Trump rally where Trump will talk about himself for 90 minutes. This should have been a massive, raucous celebration of the country and its 250 year history. Now it will be a political rally identical to the ten million other ones we’ve already seen.