Herr Dolphus BoH Bar

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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar

Herr Dolphus BoH Bar

@Herr_Dolphus

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England, United Kingdom Katılım Eylül 2012
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@asifamhp Of course, the ICB should always be asking anyway, to check they are meeting their statutory s140 obligations.
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AsifAMHP
AsifAMHP@asifamhp·
I would suggest that the Director of Commissioning @ the ICB should know & the fact that they don’t know, say quite a lot about the state of things✔️ BTW it takes one phone call to the Bed Manager to ask the question & get the answer✔️>
hundredfamilies@hundredfamilies

When asked by Cllr Power if patients were being kept in custody due to a lack of bed spaces, Ms Whysall, Notts ICB’s director of commissioning, said: “To be honest, I don’t know.” westbridgfordwire.com/no-beds-and-no…

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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@hundredfamilies Convenient for the ICB to passively not know ? How much liaison by the ICB was there with the police ? Especially as s140 and the codes of practice require both (sufficient resources to meet local demand *and* engagement with stakeholders).
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hundredfamilies
hundredfamilies@hundredfamilies·
When asked by Cllr Power if patients were being kept in custody due to a lack of bed spaces, Ms Whysall, Notts ICB’s director of commissioning, said: “To be honest, I don’t know.” westbridgfordwire.com/no-beds-and-no…
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop Notts are not the only Trust either, who are running High Secure services, and who refuse to admit Part II patients to medium or high secure beds. The administrative referral and delays, added with scarcity… is the equivalent of recent years’ police RCRP demand deflection.
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop @charleshymas @MPFed @metpoliceuk @PFEW_HQ @ShabanaMahmood @LabourSJ @PoliceInspForum @CPhilpOfficial @DannyShawNews @NotThatBigIan @terrorwatchdog Many will be glad to see the back of him. He’s overseen the continued degradation of policing capability in the capital, mixed with v some nasty HR policies that are causing morale to dive even further (hard to believe) and people to leave as soon as they can (pension or not).
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop I live in hope that meaningful change will result but what are your realistic expectations after the inquiry sh*t has hit the fan and landed, thoroughly staining police and NHS competency to manage risks to others ?
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
I'm genuinely FED UP of hearing the same non-legal myths trotted out int the face of actual evidence. The L&D witness states it would be "inappropriate" to use ss2/3 to admit VC to hospital - it would mean admission to non-secure, non-forensic bed. WRONG! #NottinghamInquiry
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop The tail also wags the dog. Few secure beds under pressure already and an inability to quickly get people into them (long referral processes) adds to these myths !
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
In the "MS" case, the man was "sectioned" after being detained under s136 MHA (albeit suspected of GBH). His victim, a relative, refused to complain so a MHA admission in to a medium secure. It's NOT THE LAW that ss2/3 patients cannot go to secure care - it's NHS policy / myth.
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop 👍 mention of lots of reflection but I didn’t see that translate to any meaningful police operational changes. Quite the opposite since RCRP, as the coroner seemed to opine. Also, rather timely re similar Nottingham Inq themes
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
@Herr_Dolphus Indeed - a few of the PFDs I refer to precede introduction of the scheme. My point has always been not that RCRP caused or contributed but that the case or the PFD is telling us something worth noticing about the scheme.
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
NEW PREVENTING FUTURE DEATH REPORT — Inquest no 26 to mention #RCRP, PFD no 21. “Communications challenges have increased since the introduction of the Right Care, Right Person policy.” judiciary.uk/prevention-of-…
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop Limits TFC responsibility/culpability in short term but usu causes delay and reduced public safety. Also pushes decisions to operational armed officers who are not sat in control rooms and have even more problems assimilating info quick time.
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
I'm playing 'catch-up' on the inquiry, so I'm 45-mins behind the live broadcast. Paragraph 35: the TFC wants to "prioritise saving life" so sends the ARVs to the victims but no armed authority?! What if VC is still there or encountered en route?! #NottinghamInquiry
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop Not watching but was this to administer O2 & advanced 1st aid ? However also seen many times, “go nearby” or “do an unarmed task - not declaring this a firearms incident yet” leaving ARV officers to decide whether to self deploy if they encounter suspect or info changes.
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AsifAMHP
AsifAMHP@asifamhp·
@iofiv @MentalHealthCop 2bf I never feel like we #AMHPs r members of #Team999 We don’t often get treated or greeted as such. No go faster lights or flashing lights & no control room or radio & no where to park etc. Often treated like a burden asking #Team999 to help do the necessary…
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
That's an interesting one for CPD discussion - - An AMHP obtains a s135(1) warrant and requests police execute it. - One officer is repeatedly assaulted in doing so and the AMHP declines to give a witness statement about the attack they saw. Discuss! nottinghampost.com/news/nottingha…
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@asifamhp @iofiv @MentalHealthCop Started working within policing within MH environment and my first task was to set up meetings and good links with 24/7 AMHP services. When you realise they are the kingpin in MH crisis care, police need you as much as much as you need police.
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@iofiv @MentalHealthCop Effort, knowledge, and capability (incl caseloads proving enough time). How many professionals refer risks to others into MAPPA panels ?
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Richard Horton
Richard Horton@iofiv·
@MentalHealthCop There are practical reasons why the join up between MH Services and Policing will never be seamless?
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop All of which takes effort 1) researching risk and 2) time to do, even when you have the knowledge and how to do it. RCRP fails at 1) and crime investigation with a MH factor generally fails at both
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop Now… OC16 unless there was a good reason to dissuade. That may have been any one of : MAPPA zero tolerance; as OIC I saw future risk; or latterly me as supervisor telling an OIC to do more. And if need be, let CPS decide NFA. However, that was working within MH and with self-CPD
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@MentalHealthCop @_57dB LoL. All we ever needed was a decision log, pen and car bonnet (short) or roof (if tall) ?! Competence and experience obv. also helped !
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Michael Brown 🌍
Michael Brown 🌍@MentalHealthCop·
@_57dB I had fewer screens than that to command major incidents and firearms incidents.
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Herr Dolphus BoH Bar
Herr Dolphus BoH Bar@Herr_Dolphus·
@asifamhp @DrJohnABaker If they can’t take what a normal ED takes (e.g. Crisis demand from police) then not unusually, they are misusing the word ‘emergency’ in their titles. And I’m guessing that commissioners forgot to consult police, AMHPs, ambo etc before designing them anyway.
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AsifAMHP
AsifAMHP@asifamhp·
@DrJohnABaker >If the answer is no to those questions & it will be. What exactly r they & who r they for? *They will not tolerate/manage “risk”’
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