Oliver booth

@GreenEyedJinn @sleepy_devo @infantrydort The well cited response of the seasoned expert there mate well done

@InfoBoothy @sleepy_devo @infantrydort Clearly, you believe many things that just aren't so, and disbelieve those that are. Bless your heart. The geography is what it is.

The Museum Civilization There is a peculiar class of modern Westerner who believes history has been permanently retired. They speak of conquest the way a child speaks of wolves. Simply confident it no longer applies, offended that you would even mention it, and deeply upset when reminded that teeth still exist. They insist the world runs on rules now and that borders are sacred. Also that true power has been replaced by paperwork. This belief is not moral in the least. It’s f*****g archaeological. They live inside institutions built by violence, defended by men they no longer understand, and guaranteed by forces they refuse to acknowledge. Like tourists wandering a fortress, they admire the stonework while mocking the idea of a siege. They confuse order with nature. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Then blame the person that reminds them of this. Civilization is not the default state of humanity. It is an achievement that is temporary, fragile, and expensive. It exists only where force once cleared the ground and still quietly patrols the perimeter. A lion does not debate the ethics of hunger. Neither does a starving empire. History is not a morality play, it is a pressure test. When pressure rises, abstractions collapse first. Laws follow power; they do NOT precede it. Property exists only where someone can prevent it from being taken. Sovereignty is not declared, it is enforced. The modern West outsourced this enforcement, then forgot the invoice existed. So when someone points out uncomfortable realities (whether about Greenland, Venezuela, or the broader balance of power) they respond with ritual incantations: “You can’t do that.” “That’s wrong.” “That’s against the rules.” As if the rules themselves are armed. As if history paused because we asked nicely. This is how empires fall. Not from invasion alone, but from conceptual rot. From mistaking a long season of safety for a permanent condition. From believing lethality is immoral instead of foundational. Every civilization that forgot how violence works eventually relearned it the hard way. The conquerors did not arrive because they were monsters; they arrived because their victims could no longer imagine them. The tragedy is not that power still exists. The tragedy is that so many have forgotten it does. Idk who needs to hear this but civilization is a garden grown atop a graveyard. Ignore the soil, and someone else will plant something far less gentle. Hate me for being the messenger and asking the hard questions about conquest if you want. You’re just wasting your time.

@CapitalistCrus1 @EpsilonTheory It's not a direct comparison. It's a commentary on how the public and government can become so used to the advantages of the status quo they seek to change it because they don't understand what rests on it. The US doesn't have the power to remain the global power alone

@InfoBoothy @EpsilonTheory You are not comparing apples to apples. By 2016, the UK was 60+ years removed from great power status. A second rate nation indeed must hitch itself to another power bloc. But “splendid isolation” served Britain well back when it was a serious country. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splendid_…

Because we are not orcs. Because from a purely self-interested perspective, you and your children and your children’s children will be MUCH better off living in a world of international trade and cooperation, including security cooperation with trustworthy allies like the Danes.

@GreenEyedJinn @sleepy_devo @infantrydort Taking Greenland would almost certainly lead to a curtailment of US bases in Europe which leaves you massively reduced in conventional power in the eastern hemisphere, and it means the other ends of your sosus net are no longer connecting to unquestionable allies

@GreenEyedJinn @sleepy_devo @infantrydort Lol I believe exactly none of those credentials. And Thule AFB is a BMEWS station, it's never had any active interceptors based there because locating them in CONUS is always going to be more effective, however you could put them there if you want

@reportingLibya @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga I need to delete twitter again so I stop giving in to the temptation of talking to you bait laying retards

@InfoBoothy @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga But...I think the navies of Europe have seen a fair bit of cost cutting in recent years. And UK not part of EU. But as mentioned, it is all ice up there so better deploy dog sleighs.

Do you think an island of 50k people is worth making an enemy out of 500 million

@nam_okk So you'd be fine with Puerto Rico being annexed by china?

@InfoBoothy 1. We'll see what Greenland decides. 2. US is no Argentina and Denmark (or UK) today is no UK in the 80s. this is a laughable comparison. You all disarmed willingly. 3. No one wants to go to war. 4. If you were not absentee landlords, this would not be an issue

I've yet to hear a single good reason why we should.

@nam_okk 1. We already know 2. My point was we'll fight much harder than anyone expected 3. Oldest line in the book mate, I'm sure Poland believed that in 1939 4. Denmark gives millions to Greenland alongside essentially home rule.

@reportingLibya @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga Yeah it's not like the navies of Europe have spent the last 70 years in a close multilateral partnership focused on defending the northern Atlantic form a hostile superpower Oh wait Oh and they couldn't possibly deploy a CBG successfully Oh...

@InfoBoothy @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga Can you imagine an all-EU carrier group steaming for Greenland? The arguments, chains-of-command chaos, multilingual radio confusion, smaller nations with their tug boats trying to get some attention? And then clonk, the Sixth Fleet or whatever blocking their path.

@AI_EmeraldApple @TheLaurenChen Ah yes the European costal defence CBG seen here in the western Pacific

@TheLaurenChen European fleets are mostly for coastal defense. Their aircraft carriers are tiny compared to America's. America's missiles and overall strike package projects far more range than any of the European weapons.

"NATO" does not have ships. Those would be America's ships. Hope this helps.

@nam_okk @MichaelShurkin Greenland is currently danish land. The Greenlanders have the choice already and they don't want to join the US, who are actively threatening military action. Remember the last time a continental American power tried to take a European island territory near a pole?

@InfoBoothy @MichaelShurkin It's not your territory, it's your colony, which none of you ever visit. Let Greenland decide what agreement they want to make with US. Your gov promised to let them. No one here is for a military invasion

@reportingLibya @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga Nice moving goalposts

@InfoBoothy @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga *If all the Europeans cooperate.

@nam_okk @MichaelShurkin Western Europe is a huge portion of the world's developed consumer economies and population. Actively making a large portion of the world's best paid people hate you won't do good things for trade, neither will basically all trust in any US treaties ending

@nam_okk @MichaelShurkin Because having the NATO guarantees not only the containment of Russia, but also de facto control of the Atlantic, med and suez as well as a large pool of various specialist or additional troops to call on. And that's just the military

@nam_okk @MichaelShurkin You're asking why invading our territory might piss us off?

@InfoBoothy @MichaelShurkin China or EU? Denmark has said repeatedly they'd let Greenland decide. Why should they get pissed off? But i'm not daft, of course they will. Hope they take their security more seriously and we ultimately get a strong Western partner. If they go East - they are toast. US survives

@reportingLibya @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga Except that's bullshit. The USN is a significant portion of NATO naval forces but Europe can get anything up to a carrier group deployed by itself no problem

@InfoBoothy @RobertDalton02 @nikicaga That was a while back. But yes, they even made friends with Russia because of it. These days things different. For instance, Nato was going to send ships to Greenland, then realised almost all the alliance's working navy ships are American. D'oh!

@CapitalistCrus1 @EpsilonTheory Oh boy you fuckers deserve everything that's coming. I watched the exact same argument in the 2016 Brexit vote lead to disaster "Why do we need the status quo? We get nothing from Europe so let's leave!" You don't notice the subtle benefits of our near total alignment

@InfoBoothy @EpsilonTheory Few people in America value what the clients bring to the table, especially militarily. The reality is that Americans see Europe as more of a burden than a benefit: the question is whether to disengage completely or to demand some form of tribute, a la Trump and Denmark.

@CapitalistCrus1 @EpsilonTheory Oh and your president is a nonce

@CapitalistCrus1 @EpsilonTheory That's certainly the line behind pushed by russian bots and hard right cranks yes. But it's bullshit and if anything it's the US diverging from Europe, choosing a path of militant isolationism and violation of law and order within and without

@CapitalistCrus1 @EpsilonTheory So you think isolating yourselves and attempting to rely on your ability to exert direct control or threat of force is going to be a viable long term strategy even against allies that were helping you? You think being fundimentaly untrustworthy is good for your economy?

@InfoBoothy @EpsilonTheory Yes, the international order we constructed post WW2 was *itself* a manifestation of realpolitik. We created it not due to our altruism, but to serve the US’s goal of defeating the USSR. 35 years removed from Soviet collapse, and the system no longer serves our interests.

@nam_okk @MichaelShurkin The amount of money and effort that the US would have expend through Europe no longer being on side would be huge. all the bases, patrols, trade, tourism ect that would suddenly cease or no longer come easily will stun you. Our interests will no longer be yours

@nam_okk @MichaelShurkin The GIUK gap has been under effective total NATO control for decades and the US has had almost total European cooperation in just about everything it's done. I don't think you understand the implications of pissing off the 2nd largest economy