Bad Faith Detector

@ShadowMosesFox @765Tet Also it is not hard to imagine a world where most people would agree with the persecution of minorities, because that has happened more often than not in various societies throughout human history. E.g. what are your thoughts on Trump winning the popular vote? 😂

@ShadowMosesFox @765Tet The earth's population is 8.3 billion, and most of those people do not live in Liberal societies, so you're wrong on that front. Also, why do the majority's feelings invalidate the feelings of the minority? It's ironic you say this after talking about persecution of minorities.

I don't remember needing religion to know why you morally shouldn't stick your dick in a heap of smelly, diseased roadkill.

@ShadowMosesFox @765Tet To the extent that people attempt to derive their ideals of morals from what people feel, it is fallacious. You cannot condemn the KKK if a lot of people feel they weren't wrong. Because why are your feelings more important than theirs?

@IntentChecker11 @765Tet we already derive our ideals of morals from what people feel, morality has existed since well before religion and at no point in time has morality been strengthened by its existence, the KKK weren't exactly an atheist group were they

@PYeerk "Puritanism" doesn't fit because Christianity is not what motivates it. It's resentment of "the patriarchy", hatred of the "male gaze", etc. It has nothing to do with sacralizing sexuality or the human body, they just despise male desire.

I do actually find remastered videogames putting bras on ship's figureheads and European Athletics' new anti-horny photography regulations disturbing- they represent a kind of sterilizing anti-sexual impulse that I think genuinely exceeds the usefulness of a term like "Puritanism" to explain it

@_sn_n @impostersyndrum They can ask the same question to you in reverse, you know that right? If it was morally permissible to arrest or shoot the rioters on Jan 6th for assaulting police, why can't ICE do the same? They are enforcing federal law.

@impostersyndrum Fighting law enforcement is bad now? Then why did Trump pardon of bunch of people who did that

if you posted something like this about Charlie Kirk, these people would get you fired.

@_sn_n @impostersyndrum He shouldn't have pardoned them. And ICE should be allowed to shoot people who try to run them over. What now? Gonna come up with another bad faith argument?

@unkunhinged @BopityBibity @joshuawoodward_ @_giacomo_volpe_ According to what you said earlier, organized crime wasn't the worst during the Great Depression, even though you brought it up as if it refutes what I said. Regardless, there is a difference between organized crime and regular crime. Peak murder rate was highest in 1960-1991.

@IntentChecker11 @BopityBibity @joshuawoodward_ @_giacomo_volpe_ So crime was worst during the great depression. And in the “Amazing 50s” crime levels improved….. wow if you only had 2 working brain cells you’d see you’re actively proving the point of the OP 😂😂

Republicans will push conspiracy theories and bigoted resentment every day for years and then turn around and wonder how they ended up with a low trust society

@No90957157 @SeabassJames @MatMvB @ShitpostRock Even if they can be logically consistent about The Harm Principle, there's no reason anyone should accept it as the basis for secular morality. People all over the world disagree with that principle for a wide variety of reasons, it's not some kind of inherent belief in humans.

@No90957157 @SeabassJames @MatMvB @ShitpostRock They might try to argue that suicide has negative effects on others and is thus immoral. A weasel argument, because there are many cases where that's not true. They want to believe that morality must be only "do not harm others" so badly, but can't keep it logically consistent.

The best logical fallacy to give an atheist when discussing morals is to ask them why it's morally wrong to have intercourse with roadkill It's dead it will not feel anything, nobody will know and there are no victims If you ask a Christian or Buddhist why it's morally wrong, they will tell you it's because the body retains inherent dignity as part of God's creation (or the sacred flow of life), and desecrating it violates divine/natural order, harms your soul/karma, and shows disrespect, even if no one feels it or knows An atheistic worldview of this question taken to its extreme, concludes that intercourse with roadkill is tantamount to masturbation and nothing more

@amandakstroud @landlord_dave @NewRightPoast @VDAREJamesK Just for starters on the lynching thing: are you even aware that most of the people that were lynched weren't black?

@amandakstroud @landlord_dave @NewRightPoast @VDAREJamesK It wasn't an iced tea at all, it was a watermelon fruit juice. It is possible that it was just a mistake, given Arizona is known for iced tea. Funny you mention lynching, because lies about racial bias in lynching actually ARE provable, unlike the Arizona juice/tea thing.

Libs play a game I call "How Much Pain Can I Tolerate?" where they think, it's just chess pieces. Trivial to replace. Costs basically nothing. No big deal. Why would I put someone in jail for stealing them, are you insane? How selfish can you be? I can easily tolerate the pain of having to replace chess pieces for a couple of bucks every once in a while. My 1 point of discomfort for tolerating the behavior easily outweighs by the 9999 points of discomfort that punishing the behavior would generate. You want me to put some kid in jail over a couple hunks of plastic? Why would I arrest a guy for buying a banana with counterfeit money? Why would I chase someone down for Skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea? Why would I disrupt the houseless schizo shooting up and jacking off on the subway, it doesn't really affect me. It's easy to ignore. These people are already suffering. But the chess pieces keep getting stolen. Old chess guys stop using the park. Rowdy teenagers take over. Moms stop bringing their kids. The park fills up with crackheads. You see this phenomenon everywhere you look. Libs let petty crime slide because they think "I can take it." And maybe they can. But every time they do this, they add a little bit of pointless friction to every day life. A sliver of pain, a cost that adds up and up. Now your Rite Aid shampoo is locked up. Now the shop has to hire a security guard (and raises prices accordingly). Now there's needles under the jungle gym. Now there's no old people on the corner keeping an eye on things. Now your kid can't run to the corner store after dark. Now your wife gets catcalled on her way home from work. Now there's loud reggaeton playing all the time. Life gets a little shittier and shittier. But hey, you can tolerate it. No big deal.

@unkunhinged @BopityBibity @joshuawoodward_ @_giacomo_volpe_ The funny thing is that it doesn't serve your side of the argument to claim the 50s had the worst organized crime, because compared to the Great Depression the 50s were in an amazing post-WWII economic boom. That is a strike against crime and poverty being linked. Nonetheless:

@IntentChecker11 @BopityBibity @joshuawoodward_ @_giacomo_volpe_ Again, you’re arguing a point that doesnt matter with easily verifiable misinformation. Prohibition in itself was the govts answer to the debauchery and crime that stemmed around the Great Depression era

@Loxists @mauddweeb @cranbypaws_ "Rural inbred shithole"? You mean the global south?

@mauddweeb @cranbypaws_ I bet you live in some rural inbred shithole like idaho

just seen a video of a guy cover up decades of culture and stickers just to give it a sloppy landlord special for the sake of 'fixing' it (it will never function again)

@amandakstroud @landlord_dave @NewRightPoast @VDAREJamesK That wasn't the point you fucking retard.

@landlord_dave @NewRightPoast @VDAREJamesK Oh, it was watermelon flavored. He definitely deserved to die, then 🙄

@hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash I looked through every response to your post and not one of them brought up the Argument From Disagreement (J.L. Mackie) that I did. Most of them are saying you are appealing to consensus, which is not my point. My point is that there is NO consensus.

@IntentChecker11 @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash I've answered this question several times in this very thread. Feel free to read my responses, and if you have new objections I will respond to those. I'm not restating it for the nth time.

@unkunhinged @BopityBibity @joshuawoodward_ @_giacomo_volpe_ Alcohol being illegal provided an opening for organized crime to exist in the first place. Just do a google search "organized crime rise during prohibition", this is all well-documented. It did NOT peak in the 50s, that is pure disinformation. It peaked during prohibition.

Are you dense? or just justifying crime because it was committed by Whites. Organized crime reached its peak in the 50s and didn’t drop in any significance until the RICO act was passed. But that’s beside the actual point here being that economic turmoil begets crime. Prohibition is even a byproduct of the degeneracy the US govt witnessed after the Great Depression. You can’t really think mfs just woke up and said yk what “let’s ban alcohol for no reason”.

@ShadowMosesFox @765Tet Describing what morals are is not the same thing as pointing out which set of morals, among all the disagreeing ones out there, is correct.

@765Tet like I'm not even an atheist but this is a really stupid fucking way to try and counter the idea of christianity being a bunk religion if you have even a basic grasp of what morals are to begin with

@ShadowMosesFox @765Tet But people have vast disagreements on morality, and differ on their feelings, so we cannot derive morals from human feelings.

@765Tet people seem to forget that morals, including those found in the bible, are entirely based on feelings, so "it doesn't feel right to me" is an entirely fair response to this question lmao

@765Tet That's a non-argument. There are entire tribes of people that practice cannibalism on dead bodies. They even do it knowing that it can make them sick. How do you use your same argument to convince them that it's morally wrong?

@hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash You're sneaking in false moral objectivity with that weasel phrase "common decency". That varies by culture and subculture. Even the definition of murder is disagreed upon, between Democrats and Republicans within the US. How do we know who is correct?

@ShitpostRock @VinceDefash You're the one commiting a fallacy in the first place by assuming that dignity has to be divinely granted, rather than assigned by the observer; human society. It's called common decency, not divine decency.