John Davenant
795 posts
John Davenant
@JDavenant
English academic and Bishop of Salisbury from 1621
Katılım Ocak 2025
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@JDavenant But Bp. Davenant I thought you thought Presbyterians were schismatics anyway?
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Yes, let’s return to the PCUSA and get excommunicated first before being independent.
Redeemed Zoomer@redeemed_zoomer
To those frustrated with the PCA: Don't bother sticking with a denomination that was founding upon not sticking with the denomination. It's clear now that splitting from a denomination due to liberalism does not solve the problem, it just delays it for you and makes it 10x worse for the people you split from. It's time to abandon the failed experiment that is the PCA and come home to mother PCUSA, the church that helped build America.
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According to Baptistic argumentation, this is correct.
They must go to other texts that show the Eucharist is for the covenant community and that women are included.
But if they do that they would also have to admit the children of saints are included as well.
Blimey.
I Cinque ⚓️@dominicptaranto
Zero women received the Eucharist in the Bible.
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@NamorPB @EddyEkofo @dominicptaranto Paul: All were baptized.
You: Nobody was baptized because typology.
Typology does not help you here.
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@JDavenant @EddyEkofo @dominicptaranto Nobody was baptized, as the sacrament of baptism had not yet been established. It was was only typical for them.
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Zero women received the Eucharist in the Bible.
𝕊𝕠𝕝𝕒 ℂ𝕙𝕒𝕕 🎚️@sola_chad
There were zero babies baptized in the Bible.
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@nabdowney @CovenantReform2 @dominicptaranto No, you just need to understand that baptism began in the Old Covenant and signified spiritual cleansing.
The people of Israel didn’t need to ask John what he meant when he said “Repent and be baptized,” because they already knew what he meant.
See Heb. 9:10 “washings”.
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@JDavenant @CovenantReform2 @dominicptaranto Yes, we have to carefully parse Aristotle-Aquinas metaphysics to actually understand baptism. 😐🤣
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It is literally impossible to make a case for exclusive credobaptism from Scripture.
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@nabdowney @CovenantReform2 @dominicptaranto Again, this still doesn’t help you. The substance remains the same. In substance, they had the same things we do.
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@JDavenant @CovenantReform2 @dominicptaranto Typologically. When the antitype came, the type fell away.
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@nabdowney @CovenantReform2 @dominicptaranto This does not help your case.
They also ate and drank from Christ.
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John Davenant retweetledi
What happened to my friend @ZacharyGarris was a travesty of justice. Not only did they convict and suspend him from ministry for what can only be described as a few “mildly harsh tweets” at best, but at trial they did not even admit any evidence for the second charge nor did they have any witnesses testify thus taking away the right of Garris to defend himself.
This whole things comes across as pure malicious law fare.
It must been made right.
#PCA
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@CovenantReform2 @dominicptaranto Infants were baptized:
For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
— 1 Corinthians 10:1-2
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@dominicptaranto Actually, baptism is not a sign of the covenant. No where does scripture suggest that baptism serves as a covenant sign, like circumcision (including Col. 2:11 which doesn't even mention literal circumcision).
Baptism is for "disciples" (Mt 28:19), not "members of the covenant".
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False:
For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
— 1 Corinthians 10:1-2
𝕊𝕠𝕝𝕒 ℂ𝕙𝕒𝕕 🎚️@sola_chad
There were zero babies baptized in the Bible.
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@jonathanramont I will not take the bait and make this about paedocommunion.
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"Augustine would be Roman Catholic!"
"No, Augustine would be Lutheran!"
Augustine if he were here:
"I'm quite fond of the PCA"
Kevin Fernandez@sincead33
No Lutheran will admit this to you but St. Augustine would call them heretics and they themselves could not allow St. Augustine in their church. Such is not the case with the Catholic Church.
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It is possible to highly revere the divines and the process of framing the confession and catechisms while at the same time saying they were wrong in barring children from the Supper.
Calvin did this with Augustine & Cyprian on paedocommunion, just in the opposite direction.
🇺🇸 𝕭𝖑𝖆𝖈𝖐 𝕽𝖔𝖇𝖊 𝕽𝖊𝖌𝖎𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙 ♱@BlkRobeRegiment
Honestly, my assessment is that the Westminster Divines were way more knowledgeable than myself and my own theorizing. It was also a consensus document, not written by merely one man. I have found peace in the simplicity of that.
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@iansenius @SarumCatholike The sacramental feasts of the OC, the manna and the water from the rock, etc.
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@JDavenant @SarumCatholike What are you saying they were admitted to in the OC that bears a similarity to the Eucharist in the NC.
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WCF 27.5 “The sacraments of the Old Testament in regard to the spiritual things thereby signified and exhibited, were, for substance, the same with those of the new.”
— 1 Cor 10:1-4
Paedocommunion is firmly established in the Old Covenant and not overturned in the New.
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@iansenius @SarumCatholike God admitted them to it under the Old Covenant, and still admits them under the New.
If they’re a part of the body, they are welcome to it.
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@SarumCatholike @JDavenant Habitual faith is not sufficient for worthy reception. Infants can only have faith habitually so they don’t have the means necessary for the worthy reception of the sacrament.
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@RyanHurst171 And if a revision like that can be okay despite diverging from the tradition and original confession, then so can the adjustment of including all baptized members at the Table.
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@RyanHurst171 You know that both the original and revised teach universal principles about the magistrate, not circumstantial/prudential applications.
Your confession teaches no civil magistrate of any commonwealth can exercise the same authority and power that it’s given in the original.
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