@PatrologyVotary @JengaJay10 I can affirm everything Augustine says here as a reformed person.
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Keelan Enns
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Keelan Enns
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Yesterday I came across a brilliant passage in Augustine’s Letter to Boniface that completely undermines the notion that his sacramental theology was symbolic (as opposed to realist).
Quite a noteworthy line of argumentation re sacraments making present what they signify.
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@PatrologyVotary @williamofdallas I’m not sure you understand our view of the supper.
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@williamofdallas Yes, there is a line of thought that reads many of Augustine’s texts on the Eucharist as putting forward what is essentially a Reformed view of a spiritual symbolic presence.
It seems to me to derive from an incomplete reading of Augustine, namely those many places where…
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@RefDogmatika Agreed! But notice that Turretin isn’t denying a second Justification here though. In fact he clearly affirms such when he writes to reconcile Paul and James in this little book RHB published:
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It is insulting to the most holy merit of Christ to assert that a second justification, which consists in our works, is better, greater, more worthy before God than the first, which depends on the merit of Christ alone.
—Turretin reformeddogmatika.com/john-piper-fin…
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Synopsis Purioris:
"Furthermore, we do not say that the Gospel and the new testament demand no condition at all, for the condition of faith and new obedience (which is everywhere impressed on us) is demanded."
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@zacharydparks @CSWCF1646 “in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”
Romans 2:16 KJV
Imo Paul here treats the Gospel like a rule to be obeyed or judged according to.
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@CSWCF1646 Correct. There is no problem here. This is the general call to repent and believe “the gospel.” Repent and believe is not “the gospel.” Colquhoun is referring strictly to the gospel proper as he said. The gospel is what Christ did and does for us. Apples and oranges.
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The Gospel offer is a command
"Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent (μετανοεῖτε, present active imperative) ye, and believe (πιστεύετε, present active imperative) the gospel."
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Ζαχαρίας ✝️📖🥖🍷 🌊 🙏@zacharydparks
“The gospel, in this its strict and proper sense, seeing it is the form of Christ’s testament which consists of absolute and free promises of salvation in Him, contains no precepts. It commands nothing. It does not enjoin us even to believe and repent; but it declares to us what God in Christ as a God of grace has done, and what He promises to still do for us and in us and by us.” -John Colquhoun
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“[N]o one is justified before God by the merits of works whether internal or even external, but by faith alone. As we taught prolixly above. But we openly preach that solitary and dead faith cannot justify. Just as the hand of a man alone apprehends, but not solitary, only the
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@zacharydparks @WesternCatholik @DrInquisitivus I don’t think anyone accuses Mastricht, Turretin, Witsius or Alstedof “threatening sola Fide”, and they say the same thing. Recall this is speaking of the condition of the covenant of Grace holistically which includes consequent conditions. Here’s Mastricht:
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As I understand it Philip Melanchthon, ironically enough, was one of the first to try to do this and it was met with major criticism. Apparently this formulation could be controversial and was not accepted by all Protestants and understandably so as it immediately seems to threaten sola fide, especially when you phrase it as Baxter did that faith and works justify equally in the same kind of causality.
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Neonomians who erroneously claim that the gospel is a new, relaxed law attempt to enlist and coop the Westminster Divines to support them. The Westminster Divines weren't neonomian. They affirmed the law gospel distinction and the confession opposes such heterodoxy.
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Very helpful talk by @SytsmaDavid that disproves some of the charges that Baxter’s method let to a widespread apostasy among non-conformists youtu.be/ZWReTHp_GD0?si…
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“Thus Baxter, by the initial rationalism of his “political method,” which forced Scripture into an a priori mold, sowed the seeds of moralism with regard to sin, Arianism with regard to Christ, legalism with regard to faith and salvation, and liberalism with regard to God. In his own teaching, steeped as it was in the older affectionate “practical” Puritan tradition, these seeds lay largely dormant, but later Presbyterianism in both England and Scotland reaped the bitter crop. It is sadly fitting that the Richard Baxter Church in Kidderminster today should be—Unitarian. What we see in Baxter is an early stage in the decline, not simply of the doctrine of justification among the Puritans, but of the Puritan insight into the nature of Christianity as a whole.” -Excerpt from “The Doctrine of Justification Among the Puritans”, an Essay by J. I. Packer
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@DaleMCoulter There’s no such thing as a Protestant who isn’t either Lutheran, or Reformed. Those are the only two kinds of Protestants. We were so named for protesting Rome. Those who came after were protesting us.
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This is a very challenging situation. But, not all Protestants taught that the presence of sinful desire was itself a sin. That was Luther’s hard-core Augustinianism. Luther out “Augustined” Augustine. It’s only in Reformed and Lutheran camps that you will find this position.
The Presbytery Inn@PresbyInn
Sam Allberry's doctrine of concupiscence was a direct attack on justification by faith alone. That should have been disqualifying in and of itself.
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@WalmartThomist Less impressive since I’m ethinically Dutch 😁
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@JEdwards974649 The name "Keelan" is Irish. Considering this fact, it is quite impressive that you are able to read.
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@WalmartThomist Gotcha, was that the last time you were better read than him?
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@JEdwards974649 You're 2 years too late to hear that one 😁
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"As an Orthodox Christian" is enough for me to dismiss the rest of the text.
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It seems not. For Religious Hippie and Sarah Stock say that...
St. Thomas Aquinas@Aquinas_Quotes
Can there be mortal sin in touches and kisses?
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@MESabo86 Every pastor in the PCA should become a Davenant repspecter 🫡
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John Davenant argued that concupiscence is sin in his Treatise on Justification. (It was in fact his Roman Catholic opponent, Robert Bellarmine, who thought it wasn't.)
The Presbytery Inn@PresbyInn
Sam Allberry's doctrine of concupiscence was a direct attack on justification by faith alone. That should have been disqualifying in and of itself.
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@wyclif Hit follow the second I saw collegiate suffrage mentioned.
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@zacharydparks @WesternCatholik @DrInquisitivus Mastricht says that good works are a sine qua non condition.
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Thesis 74 "Faith and sincere Obedience, or good Works, do both equally justify, as being both the Condition of the Covenant of Life; and both equally necessary to Justification, as Causae sine quibus-non."
and of this he commented "I Know this is the doctrine that will have the loudest out-cries raised against it: and will make some cay out, Heresy, Popery, Socinianism! and what not?"
He was basically the father of Lordship salvation which is not confessional consistent with the law gospel distinction.
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“The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me. For I have kept the ways of the Lord, and have not wickedly departed from my God.”
Psalm 18:20-21
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