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@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin In my example the means were ignoring the authority. The ends are the good faith action. You said I got it backwards, and then just restated exactly what I said.

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin You have your example backwards. The means would be the ignoring of the authority, the ends would be the good faith action.

Alright thought experiment here Harry: if the pope told you to kill 3/4 of your children would you? Answer will naturally be no And what if the pope commanded you to go to a mass where 75% of your kids, on average will leave the faith. Same answer? Cause the soul > the body

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin Saying the means are necessary because of the ends is literally saying the ends justify the means. It’s identical.

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin Disobeying a licit Authority is justified by a current issue that is going on. To my knowledge, the sspx take: It's not the ends justifying the means; it is the means are necessary, due to something current, that the sspx are trying to prevent turning into a disastrous end.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin I don’t think that’s correct. Not submitting to licit authority is sinful, regardless if you are acting in good faith. That is literally the ends (my good faith action) justifying the means (ignoring licit authority).

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin No, I'm not saying that Vat's decision is sinful, necessarily, I'm simply saying that the sspx not accepting that they can't is not sinful, because they see it as a necessity due to extenuating circumstances. It's not evil, because they are doing it in good and practicing faith.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin Where is the sin is denying consecrations? I understand there is mistrust of the decision, the motive for it, and the consequences of it, but how is that decision itself sinful? That’s where I’m personally getting stuck in my understanding.

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin ... Because they cannot trust other bishops, they have to be able to consecrate their own, because they can trust from within their own ranks.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin My understanding of ends not justifying the means is that we cannot do evil so that good may be produced. We cannot take an immoral action (not submitting to valid authority) even if we believe that will lead to good (protection of good things).

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin You might be using that to mean something else, if so I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

@ninetyftaway2 @PopePiusIXStan This seems like an obvious and easy first step. I pray we can see this happen soon.

@PopePiusIXStan Or just make both forms available and don't 💩 on either one.

1. You can do the Tridentine Mass in English, just like you can do the Novus Ordo in English 2. For over a thousand years Roman Catholics attended Mass in Latin, and at a higher percentage than attend now 3. You can follow along in a missal, it’s not that difficult.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin Conflict with authority in the future doesn’t seem like a valid question against the authority. It seems like the ends (protecting faith against invalid use of authority) are justifying the means (ignoring valid use of authority). End.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin I don’t see the same argument against consecration of Bishops. That clearly requires approval, and that approval seems clearly a valid use of authority. Going against that authority now because it *might* cause a scenario where we would have to… 2/

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@TLM_Ryan @BPeregrinus @dextroxin @_GodFamilyGuns_ Let’s say that is all true. How is this not having the ends justify the means?

@BPeregrinus @dextroxin @JMRJAM @_GodFamilyGuns_ The FSSP were promised their own bishop when they left the SSPX. 30+ years later no bishop. They’re constantly audited by Jesuits under threat of being shut down. If the SSPX didn’t exists as a bulwark against it, they most certainly would be just like the diocesan ones.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @MoxyMurphy @TLM_Ryan I may be misunderstanding, but isn’t the valid interpreter of all those things the same hierarchy structure that you’re saying it is separate from?

@JMRJAM @MoxyMurphy @TLM_Ryan Councils and ex Cathedral statements and tradition. If anything new contradicts one of those three, it's fake (the hierarchy, not the Church/Deposit of Faith)

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @MoxyMurphy @TLM_Ryan Where is the defining line between the Church and the hierarchy?

@JMRJAM @MoxyMurphy @TLM_Ryan They aren't protecting it from he Church, rather the corrupt hierarchy.

@MoxyMurphy @_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan I have difficulty seeing how “we need to protect the faith by separating from the Church” is any different from any other heretical movement in history. I may be missing something that truly makes this different from those, but I have trouble with the ends justifying the means.

A priests received his faculties from a bishop, not from ordination alone. The FSSP was created in response to the SSPX, and functioned in some ways to draw many priests out of the SSPX who feared separation from Rome. The FSSP can be terminated tomorrow. They have no bishop of their own; meaning, they’re kind of on a lease arrangement.

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan Thank you for sharing this.

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan They state it better than me. sspx.org/en/news/questi…

@_GodFamilyGuns_ @TLM_Ryan Why won’t the priests be able to hear confessions? And are you saying that if the SSPX goes away, the FSSP necessarily will as well?

@JMRJAM @TLM_Ryan Yes Because after their Bishops are gone, the priest will not have the ability to hear confessions and the they will eventually die as will the society After the SSPX is gone, all TLMs will be abolished

@alicefaith218 @tigertunesusa @JoshuaTCharles Where does it say to only use scripture? Can you please only share scripture to show that?

@tigertunesusa @JoshuaTCharles No thanks. Just give scripture. Always the video or an article. Never scripture

We really need to more actively interact with our Guardian Angels. About 2 years ago, I made sure to include my Guardian Angel in between every decade of the Rosary I prayed. Whenever I’m in a conflict, or know of others in conflicts, I often ask everyone’s Guardian Angels to pray for us/them, that we receive the graces we need to resolve the conflict in a God and Golden Rule-honoring way. I can see much more clearly the ways in which my own Guardian Angel has protected me from so many things—even events I may perceive as disappointments at the time, but later find out I was being protected from something. Our Guardian Angels desire for us to reach heaven even more than our family and friends. Don’t forget to develop your relationship with them! “In heaven, their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.” Jesus (Matt. 18:10)

If anyone sees this, I would very much appreciate prayers for my pregnant wife and children. Thank you.

@SwordMasterPub @MrsDorsey9 @Rblv73 I’m not making empty assertions. I’m saying your assertions about what Ignatius believed and wrote about are incorrect, and refuted by his own writings. You can see if I’m right or not be evaluating his work directly. I’ve given you a source for this, there are many others.

@JMRJAM @MrsDorsey9 @Rblv73 You're just making empty assertions. Ignatius argued for a monoepiskopate. Do you deny this?

Who possesses the authority to definitively interpret Scripture? Did Christ leave behind a Church with authority to teach in His name, or did He leave Christianity to be reconstructed by competing private interpretations 1,500 years later?