@bttldog @fredowens03 @halo1pistolier @bonchieredstate And I’m not “whining about activism.” Again, another thing you could easily verify by not being an intellectual lazy, self-righteous hack.
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@Jermopolae @fredowens03 @halo1pistolier @bonchieredstate Or just write a paragraph evading the obvious interpretation or whining about the presence of activism during the civil rights era.
I’m guessing your “numerous replies” also contain copious pontification evading the clear motivation to debate this, doesn’t it?
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This thing where people pretend to have uncovered a massive conspiracy when it’s actually just common knowledge (in this case, told by Rosa Parks herself) is moronic.
The buses were segregated and she was arrested. The rest is online brain rot trying to justify it.
Wall Street Apes@WallStreetApes
We have literally been lied to about everything Matt Walsh “The Rosa Parks story you were taught in school was fake too. This was not just some woman on her way home from work. Civil rights leaders thought Parks would make a sympathetic face for their lawsuit and then told her, a longtime NAACP volunteer, to create a situation where she'd be arrested. This gets sold to the public as totally organic when actually it's playacting to create ideal conditions for a court case or scandal. The iconic photo of Parks on the bus was staged months after the incident as part of a press campaign. (The photo is shown in the clip) The white man, sitting behind her in the bus photo was a journalist, which you probably didn't know.” Let’s fact check this. It’s 100% true What Actually Happened on December 1, 1955 Rosa Parks was a longtime NAACP volunteer and secretary of the Montgomery chapter. She had been deeply involved in civil rights activism for years (including work on cases like the Recy Taylor rape and voter registration efforts). She was not just a random tired seamstress on her way home from work who spontaneously refused to move. Local civil rights leaders had been looking for a strong test case to challenge bus segregation. They even had people cast for the role before Rosa Parks. Earlier attempts include 15 year old Claudette Colvin were passed over because leaders felt Rosa Parks, a mature, respected, married woman with a spotless reputation, would be a more sympathetic plaintiff in court and to the public The Iconic Photo was 100% staged The famous photo was taken on December 21, 1956, this is over a year after her arrest and on the first day the buses were integrated after the Supreme Court ruling It was deliberately staged by journalists, Look Magazine and UPI, for a press campaign to dramatize the victory The white man sitting behind her is Nicholas Chriss, a UPI reporter, not a random angry passenger or segregationist
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@bttldog @fredowens03 @halo1pistolier @bonchieredstate I don’t owe you a paragraph elaborating on a point you’re going to dismiss anyways. Who the hell even are you? I’ve been having civil disagreements with several people on this since yesterday and you come in here thumping your chest like this? Get. Wrecked.
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@dremicdre @halo1pistolier @bonchieredstate Dude. Get wrecked. Okay? Take your smug bullshit elsewhere.
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@bttldog @fredowens03 @halo1pistolier @bonchieredstate Coming into my replies at this stage and having obviously not seen my numerous replies leaves me disinclined to engage with you. If you put in minimal effort and thought beyond your immediate biases, you’d clearly see I do not hold that view.
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@Jermopolae @fredowens03 @halo1pistolier @bonchieredstate Are you suggesting racism is okay because nobody told you that Rosa Parks was an activist?
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@RobProvince I think Turntable Lab has a pretty nice one. Very pricey though.
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Looked for a boombox where you put can put an iPhone in it instead of a cassette tape. Shocked to find out such a thing doesn’t exist. Plenty of speakers you can attach to your iPhone. But no big 80’s boomboxes. Seems like money left on the table here.
GIF
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@CaitlinPacific @CathyYoung63 “Tried to study” is the very important distinction that you’re gliding right past.
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I think anyone who has tried to study the American civil rights movement for longer than 10 minutes already knows this.
The Montgomery bus boycott required tremendous sacrifice. People walked huge distances to and from work. And they did it for A YEAR.
Truth Avenger@levine2001
@CaitlinPacific Why not just tell the truth about both events? They were staged for purposes of propaganda. The fact that most would agree with the agenda behind the propaganda doesn’t make it any less propaganda. Knowing this helps us guard against insidious propaganda, like George Floyd.
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There’s nothing edgy or remotely interesting about this. It’s well known that the photo was staged. It’s listed that way in the Library of Congress and in Rosa Parks’ own autobiography.
That civil rights leaders “told her to create a situation where she’d be arrested” is a fabrication. It also overlooks the larger moral truth of what was happening at the time: a regime of state-enforced racial humiliation that a woman of conscience refused to obey.
An intellectual coward’s idea of an exposé. No different from the Churchill or WWII revisionism — a kernel of a fact, load-bearing lie, packaged as “we’ve been lied to about everything.” Everyone associated with this should be embarrassed.
Wall Street Apes@WallStreetApes
We have literally been lied to about everything Matt Walsh “The Rosa Parks story you were taught in school was fake too. This was not just some woman on her way home from work. Civil rights leaders thought Parks would make a sympathetic face for their lawsuit and then told her, a longtime NAACP volunteer, to create a situation where she'd be arrested. This gets sold to the public as totally organic when actually it's playacting to create ideal conditions for a court case or scandal. The iconic photo of Parks on the bus was staged months after the incident as part of a press campaign. (The photo is shown in the clip) The white man, sitting behind her in the bus photo was a journalist, which you probably didn't know.” Let’s fact check this. It’s 100% true What Actually Happened on December 1, 1955 Rosa Parks was a longtime NAACP volunteer and secretary of the Montgomery chapter. She had been deeply involved in civil rights activism for years (including work on cases like the Recy Taylor rape and voter registration efforts). She was not just a random tired seamstress on her way home from work who spontaneously refused to move. Local civil rights leaders had been looking for a strong test case to challenge bus segregation. They even had people cast for the role before Rosa Parks. Earlier attempts include 15 year old Claudette Colvin were passed over because leaders felt Rosa Parks, a mature, respected, married woman with a spotless reputation, would be a more sympathetic plaintiff in court and to the public The Iconic Photo was 100% staged The famous photo was taken on December 21, 1956, this is over a year after her arrest and on the first day the buses were integrated after the Supreme Court ruling It was deliberately staged by journalists, Look Magazine and UPI, for a press campaign to dramatize the victory The white man sitting behind her is Nicholas Chriss, a UPI reporter, not a random angry passenger or segregationist
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@Reasonmaxxing @volkstyles @GiancarloSopo I don’t get what they feel is threatened by simply acknowledging that most of us of a certain age were taught the ‘spontaneous’ version. It’s probably why they’re reflexively assuming we see it as delegitimizing of Rosa Parks altogether. Very weird.
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I can't say whether this what students are taught today (nor is it clear to me that Walsh is making that claim). I can say that I, like lots of other people of my generation (Gen X), was taught this during my K-12 schooling. I learned the truth about the Rosa Parks story later, on my own.
You needn't take my word for it. If you're interested in the issue, can look at textbooks from, say, the 80s and 90s and you'll see very clearly that I'm right. Plenty of this material is available online.
I'm not using this issue as part of any broader argument. I'm simply pointing out that Walsh is correct about how the Rosa Parks story has been taught in the past, and that if you want to criticize him, you need to do it on other grounds.
Who cares about this lol? People who care about factual accuracy do. If you don't, that's certainly your prerogative; but in that case, I'm not interested in talking to you.
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@Pbornsch @HistoryBoomer This particular discourse has been wildly surreal and disorienting. I don’t even know what’s happening anymore.
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@HistoryBoomer It’s weird because Walsh makes a claim about Rosa Parks that’s false (what she did was planned in advance with the NAACP), and a bunch of liberal journalists are responding, “That’s what everyone knows.”
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@crazy_stephen_i @HistoryBoomer I think it’s more the smug dismissiveness toward anyone who grew up having absorbed the ‘simplified’ version of events and how it could only have been through their own ignorance and malice. People are acting as if it should’ve been self-evidently absurd to believe that version.
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@HistoryBoomer People get REALLY worked up about Rosa Parks, didn’t realize it was that contentious in some people’s minds
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@MPricse13044 @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes Whether you intended to or not, you seem to be implying that teachers are just empty vessels in this regard, with no moral weight attached to what they teach about history and the way it is framed.
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@Jermopolae @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes However, why does this even matter?
Does this fact change anything about the story?
Does the fact that a protest is organized make it illegitimate?
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We have literally been lied to about everything
Matt Walsh “The Rosa Parks story you were taught in school was fake too. This was not just some woman on her way home from work. Civil rights leaders thought Parks would make a sympathetic face for their lawsuit and then told her, a longtime NAACP volunteer, to create a situation where she'd be arrested.
This gets sold to the public as totally organic when actually it's playacting to create ideal conditions for a court case or scandal.
The iconic photo of Parks on the bus was staged months after the incident as part of a press campaign. (The photo is shown in the clip)
The white man, sitting behind her in the bus photo was a journalist, which you probably didn't know.”
Let’s fact check this. It’s 100% true
What Actually Happened on December 1, 1955
Rosa Parks was a longtime NAACP volunteer and secretary of the Montgomery chapter. She had been deeply involved in civil rights activism for years (including work on cases like the Recy Taylor rape and voter registration efforts).
She was not just a random tired seamstress on her way home from work who spontaneously refused to move. Local civil rights leaders had been looking for a strong test case to challenge bus segregation.
They even had people cast for the role before Rosa Parks. Earlier attempts include 15 year old Claudette Colvin were passed over because leaders felt Rosa Parks, a mature, respected, married woman with a spotless reputation, would be a more sympathetic plaintiff in court and to the public
The Iconic Photo was 100% staged
The famous photo was taken on December 21, 1956, this is over a year after her arrest and on the first day the buses were integrated after the Supreme Court ruling
It was deliberately staged by journalists, Look Magazine and UPI, for a press campaign to dramatize the victory
The white man sitting behind her is Nicholas Chriss, a UPI reporter, not a random angry passenger or segregationist
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@MPricse13044 @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes I’m literally talking about how it was taught. And yes, it absolutely matters. If you value truth it matters. It doesn’t have to change the moral calculus of anything and that shouldn’t even be a consideration in the first place.
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@MPricse13044 @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes Deflecting by saying “Why does this even matter” is so lame. I’m sorry. Do you think that is the standard that should always be applied? Are you comfortable with what that implies?
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@MPricse13044 @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes Okay I’m happy that this is what you were taught. It is the truth and it does not change my assessment of Rosa Parks as a brave human being and a civil rights hero. Was this how you were taught In elementary school? See what I’m getting at?
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@Jermopolae @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes It would have gone fine because its both what really happened and the way it is commonly taught.
Rosa Parks was a prominent civil rights activist prior to the bus incident. This is the version that is taught in school, at least it was for me
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@MPricse13044 @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes I’m curious if you think I was supposed to - on my own - question the idea the Rosa Parks story was one of spontaneous resistance, the one I was taught way back in elementary school. Why would I have done that? And how do you think that would have gone for me?
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@Jermopolae @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes It was a planned protest. This is information that anyone can find with a quick google search.
The idea that this information is 'hidden' somehow is crazy. Anyone who does any amount of research into this incident knows this. Maybe you were just ignorant
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@MPricse13044 @K_Smith_MI @Newyorkran86042 @CathyYoung63 @WallStreetApes As everyone knows, Google has always existed and at no point did school age children rely on what a teacher told them. Great point you made there.
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@visegrad24 He clearly knows how to manipulate Western minds into compliance and submission. I wonder where he might have heard such terminology and framing. It’s a real mystery.
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The perpetrator of yesterday’s car-ramming and stabbing attack in Modena, Salim El Koudri, has told investigators why he carried out the attack:
“I’m harassed, marginalized and I live in a racist country”
🇮🇹🇲🇦
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@realMaalouf @visegrad24 Calling it “mental health issues” is clearly more appealing to Italian authorities than facing the uncomfortable reality that jihad requires no logistical and financial support at all. They can just get in their car and run people over on purpose.
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If someone went to Morocco and drove a car into a crowd of people, they would be publicly hanged in the town square.
In Europe, a terrorist like that gets protected and handed papers on account of ‘mental illness.’
The world is upside down.
Visegrád 24@visegrad24
The Italian authorities have announced that yesterday’s car-ramming attack in Modena by Salim El Koudri was not a case of terrorism but due to “mental health issues” 🇮🇹🇲🇦
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