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@LifeNewsHQ No. It ends an unwanted pregnancy through the expulsion of the products of conception

Does abortion kill a baby?

@Prolife_Texan__ It's not stupid, but like everything, it depends on the context. He's referring to human being as an abstract noun, not a concrete one. In that context, he is correct

Stupid prochoice tweet of the day:

@hajackson996 @JoeMcswag7283 @DatGuyDun @Unapologx It is because in that situation, the law legally recognizes the fetus as a separate victim (not person) of criminal violence. Such laws were established to provide justice for the loss of a "potential life" caused by a third party Notice those laws don't apply to abortion

@JoeMcswag7283 @DatGuyDun @Unapologx How come when you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it’s considered a double homicide then? Oh probably because that mother was just a vessel for that HUMAN BEING growing inside of her.

Allie had so much grace for this ❤️👏👏

@DatGuyDun @JoeMcswag7283 @Unapologx A fetus has no rights. It's a biologically dependent being. It can't survive autonomously. It doesn't have the capability much less the capacity. No, that's not the same as needing support, which is what you're describing. It being human isn't in dispute. That's just biology

@JoeMcswag7283 @Unapologx Bodily autonomy doesn’t erase the fetus’s right to life; forcing one human to use another’s body doesn’t nullify the fact that both are human. Dependency doesn’t destroy distinctness—newborns, preemies, and patients on life support are all “tethered” too, yet still fully human.

@StevenErtelt That CAN be true, but it isn't always. Some unplanned pregnancies are viewed as a surprise to be welcomed Others simply aren't wanted at all That's up to the woman to decide how she feels about it, no one else

@EmmaLee8689 Being biologically dependent is not an arbitrary trait. It's a functional capacity. The color of one's skin is a trait

@John52250 @PLPercussionist The premise is exactly the same. Abortion advocate: “They’re not [insert arbitrary trait], so not fully human so they get no human rights.” Slavery advocate: “They’re not [insert arbitrary trait], so they’re not fully human so they get no human rights.” It’s a gross argument.

When does human life begin?

@EmmaLee8689 You can find information about the transition itself. It's called neonatal adaptation. Here's a good link. Human rights are the moral/philosophical claim. Legal rights are the actual enforceable rights. Just being human is a qualifier pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC35…

@John52250 @PLPercussionist Is there some medical definition somewhere of the term “biologically independent”? And don’t our human rights come from being human, and not some arbitrary event like birth?

@EmmaLee8689 Personhood is not a tangible thing. It's not something that is proven by fact but rather a legal status that is granted. In the US, in addition to common law, there are precedent and laws that establish that status begins at birth, including 1 U.S.C. § 8

@John52250 @PLPercussionist How can you prove the unborn are not persons? Is it just a feeling you have? How do you know it for a fact?

@ConsevativHero It's a fetus, not a child and it doesn't have the capability much less the capacity to choose a course of action. It's biologically dependent

@John52250 Does ab unborn child willingful «use» a body?

@PLPercussionist Because one is a biological state of existence and the other is sociopolitical status. Completely different

@John52250 How?

@PLPercussionist It's completely different, actually

@John52250 Because it’s the same argument with a slight twist.

@PLPercussionist Hmmm. If you do, then why would you compare it to the independence of an enslaved person?

@John52250 Yes.

@ConsevativHero What justification can you provide that gives one being the right to use another beings body for their own goals?

@John52250 No, killing a innocent human being is ever wrong, an aczeptance for that is only if it is nessesary to safe other lifes. Otherwise no Justification, even if it is very unconform

@PLPercussionist Do you even know what biologically independent means? It does not have the same meaning as you are using the word "independent"

@John52250 No it’s not. Confederates argued that black humans were not independent and abolishing slavery would harm them lol same exact argument just different victims.

@PLPercussionist That's a false equivalence. Enslaved people were biologically independent persons. A fetus is not

@John52250 You sound like an 1840s Confederate. They argued the exact same about black humans. That’s why it’s not “all it is.”

@JackSto75339183 It is subjective. Not only over time but jurisdiction. While not universal, it is nearly accepted worldwide as beginning at birth- including France. You say you appeal to biology/ science yet you call a fetus a child. There is a difference between a concrete and abstract noun

@John52250 u committed fallacy from authority, appealing to a legal/social construct, those r subjective and change with time-I appeal to natural law, biology/science..human and human being r the same thing, semantics, just word games..biologically, the unborn r human beings who have rights

Both deserve equal protection.

@PLPercussionist Life beginning at conception isn't an issue. I agree, that's when life begins. However that's all that it is. It's human in that it's a member of the species homo sapiens but it's not a human being in that it's not a person. THAT is where the issue lies- it's not a person

@John52250 How does life beginning at conception support your argument for abortion? Because if life begins at conception and not birth, abortion should be banned.

@PLPercussionist I just told you the biological perspective is a major point of my argument FOR abortion. Provide your argument on why you don't think that is the case

@John52250 Abortion lol

@StudentsforLife "Abortion is necessary so children don’t grow up unwanted.” That's why you think abortions occur? Most women have an abortion because they don't want to remain pregnant, not because of any possible future life of a current fetus in a pregnancy that they don't want

Abortion is necessary so children don’t grow up unwanted.” We reject that lie. We stand with children in foster care and poverty. We fight for their future. Millions of families are waiting to adopt. Even in hardship, every Life has value.

@PLPercussionist I disagree. What policy are you referring to?

@John52250 You reject it when it comes to policy.