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@ZylexIDC @gramzfgs @__lilith666 I think you need to think about the issue with a paradox we as humans decide what is a isn't a paradox we also try to apply rules to things without rules such as God the whole point is how can God have rules or be a paradox when all is his we do not understand it all

@Keospf @gramzfgs @__lilith666 and therein lies the paradox. with omnipotence comes certainty, because our lives are puppets by the wills of the Lord as all of creation is his creation. we are given the illusion of free will, even this reply is planned if there is a god. I am not free if there is a god.

Atheists, write down your best points against Christianity Let's learn from each other🙂 (Keep it as respectful as it deserves) 🫶

@ZylexIDC @gramzfgs @__lilith666 why omnipotent means all powerful so powerful enough to let us have free will and do as we pleased

@Keospf @gramzfgs @__lilith666 the issue is you're taking the part when you should be taking the whole, and taking the whole when you should be taking the part. if God is real, everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING. is because of him. omnipotence is not something you can toss aside by its very nature.

@ZylexIDC @gramzfgs @__lilith666 Well part of it is unlimited power means that something as complex as free will and still planning shouldn't be hard but also their is no reason God cannot have a plan and us have free will

@Keospf @gramzfgs @__lilith666 but God literally created the whole problem. he gave humanity free will, yet god has a plan, and humanity messed with the plan by eating from the garden of eden, so he... took away free will? that we never had? god can't be omnipotent while we have free will, it's a paradox.

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 He wasn't he wanted us to think about it I must go for now I'll be back

@Keospf @__lilith666 Humans are curious because we are not omniscient. An omniscient being can never be curious—because he knows everything.

@ZylexIDC @gramzfgs @__lilith666 I have to go for a while but to try to sum it up God made a perfect world humans using free will screwed it up so our problems and our issues all stem from humans screwing up with our free will

@Keospf @gramzfgs @__lilith666 but God is omnipotent. he creates all, does he not? he created us, including our problems, our personalities, our very lives. all according to his plan. so tell me, if we all play into his plan, whether we like it or not, do we have free will? or do we follow his plan?

@ZylexIDC @gramzfgs @__lilith666 We have free will God could take it but he doesn't also knowing the outcome doesn't mean forcing the outcome

@Keospf @gramzfgs @__lilith666 then we don't have free will. if our will can be subverted for another, we do not have free will.

@gramzfgs @ZylexIDC @__lilith666 We can we have free will doesn't mean he won't succeed in his plan but we can go against but that doesn't mean we would prevent his plans

@Keospf @ZylexIDC @__lilith666 we can’t though, that would imply not all knowing and all powerful. we can’t go against his will.

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 Never said he needed the answer humans needed the questions

@Keospf @__lilith666 Then you truly do not know what it means to be omniscient. Sir or ma’am, please understand, that if you possess the absolute knowledge of what was, is and ever will be, you would never need to ask a single question because you know the answer. 😔. Take care.

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 Yes? Not sure if you understand it but I hope that my explanation helps

@Keospf @__lilith666 So your argument is: even though you know everything about everything, you still ask questions???

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 Well what do you want to know then what is it that makes you so doubtful

@Keospf @__lilith666 I am not interested in your claim that “God is our heavenly father.“ I care about whether my beliefs are true, not how they make me feel.

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 None simple but that doesn't mean you can't ask if you give humans free will and ask them a question while you know what they will say they don't until they are asked humans need the questions not God

@Keospf @__lilith666 I don’t think you understand, so let me frame the question this way: if you have the absolute knowledge of what ever was, is, and will be, what question would you ever need to ask?

@gramzfgs @ZylexIDC @__lilith666 Yes I suppose but like I said he knows what you will do his plans could just plan around what you do however I'm not sure what I'm saying will make much sense please further questions me I'd like to refine my points better

@Keospf @ZylexIDC @__lilith666 can we act against the plan of god?

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 Well he does know not sure I understand please clarify further what you mean thanks

@Keospf @__lilith666 If “God” was omniscient, he would know why someone does what they do, how, why, where, how many times their heart beat, how many times they blinked, when the thought to do something formed in their mind. By definition, the god of the bible is not all-knowing

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 Well why not God is our heavenly father and I see no reason we can't however I'm more then happy to discuss this matter further if you could clarify further what you mean

@Keospf @__lilith666 You’re cannot compare a parent to an all-knowing being. That is where your argument falls short.

@Nooahhs004 @athiestboi While I do see the risk I see it as getting pregnant is a choice many don't like that fact but it's true and while rape is a horrible thing and should be punished unlike anything else we shouldn't kill the child their are things to work on like the adoption system

@Keospf @athiestboi Giving birth to a literal human being is hard and hurting, mommies could also die in process. That's why some abort their babies

Men shouldn’t have opinions about abortion.

@Aviationist10 @__lilith666 The Bible? I'm not entirely sure if I'm misunderstanding what you said but if you could please explain to me what you mean I would be more then happy to discuss it

@Keospf @__lilith666 Preach the word of God? Where do they find this God guy that tells them what to preach and say? 🤐

@gramzfgs @ZylexIDC @__lilith666 Well not exactly true while God does know what will happen he doesn't control it's like planning what you will do assuming everything goes as expected you may not be in control of the events but if you know what will happen you can then plan for it

@Keospf @ZylexIDC @__lilith666 free will cannot coexist with a god who has plans. if our choices cannot possibly go against god’s plans then they were always meant to be.

@ShrapnelScarz @__lilith666 It's not what was asked but why think about if a parent knows their child did something but still asked them if they did just to get the child to confess do you think that makes a difference or impact I'm happy to follow up and answer any questions about my statement

@__lilith666 The God of the Bible asks questions, therefore he cannot be all knowing. Ask yourself this: what question would you ever need to ask if you knew everything?

@ZylexIDC @__lilith666 God's plan doesn't negate our free will just means he has a plan also hell is eternal speration from God it is up to us where we go after death God won't force us to stay with him forever if we choose to be separate from him we will remain separate

@__lilith666 the free will God's plan paradox. if God gave humanity free will, but everything follows gods plan, then we do not have free will. by nature of everything being the creation of God, god is cruel, because he sends people to hell that he created that were flawed. why?