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@Dusan_Bara This is won awesome!!!

We are so happy with how our prayer space continues to come together. Glory to God☦️ I would like to add some Vigil Lamps and I plan to build a small table so we can move the candles, incense, etc. Out of the corner shelf unit (not pictured).

Why are you doing that? Especially to a fellow Orthodox? Relax because that is a frame not an argument. You have positioned yourself as receiving the saints while casting me as dissenting from them which is ridiculous since you don't even know me to make that frame but anyways what you said assumes the question, which is whether Truglia’s selection read his way is the teaching of the Orthodox Church. It is not, and his own citations show it. Read what he actually quotes. The Lenten Triodion, the liturgical voice of the Church herself, confesses that unbaptized infants go neither to the delight of heaven nor to hell. The Council of Constantinople 1815 states that infants who die unbaptized are not tormented. St. Gregory the Theologian in Oration 40.23 says they will be neither glorified nor punished by the righteous Judge. St. Ambrose in On Abraham 2.84 calls it a hidden immunity to punishments. That is the consensus your source documents and it is precisely the position you are denying. Privation of the Kingdom is not damnation or condemnation in hell. Truglia himself concedes the punishment whatever it is is not painful. That is not the position you came in defending FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, please let me know if I am wrong. Also the Confession of Dositheus is the only text that reads otherwise and it is a 17th century local synod composed under Latin scholastic pressure in reaction to Cyril Lucaris! Interesting right? Even Florovsky called this period the Western captivity of Orthodox theology. Even St. Philaret of Moscow modified the text, God Bless him, love that man! But It is not Ecumenical and it cannot overturn the patristic and liturgical consensus that surrounds it. Tbh the hinge is whether infants inherit Adam’s personal guilt. The East has consistently confessed that we inherit his consequences, mortality, corruption, the proclivity to sin but not his guilt. Ezekiel 18:20 says the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. Romans 2:6 says God renders to each according to his works. An infant has performed no works for which damnation is the just recompense and Christ Himself assumed infancy in The Book of Matthew. St. Irenaeus in Against Heresies II.22.4 says He sanctified every age by passing through it. If infancy were a state of personal guilt, the Incarnation would be impossible. The Holy Innocents are venerated as martyrs though none were baptized, God knits the Children in the womb per Jeremiah and Forerunner was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb. Oh and food for thought St. John Chrysostom In Baptismal Catecheses 3.6 says we baptize infants although they are not defiled by sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, and brotherhood with Christ. Read what he is denying and what he is affirming right here. He denies that the infant is defiled by personal sin. He tells us that baptism gives positive gifts of sonship and incorporation. The Augustinian framework though has to insist that the infant is defiled by inherited personal guilt and that baptism removes this guilt. Chrysostom says the opposite. The infant is not defiled. Baptism does not function as a rescue from personal condemnation. It functions as the bestowal of gifts on one who is not under condemnation to begin with. The infant is not in Gehenna because he has committed no personal sin against God. He is not punished because he bears no personal guilt to be punished for. He is not tormented because the Council of Constantinople in 1815 confessed it explicitly to. He is not abandoned because the Lord who said of such is the Kingdom does not abandon the little ones He commanded to be brought to Him. St. Gregory of Nyssa in On Infants’ Early Deaths the only patristic treatise devoted entirely to this question speaks of them as participating in God according to their capacity and growing in that participation.

Ok I’m glad you’ve read it. If you agree with the teachings of the saints and conciliar confessions quoted then there’s nothing to reply to because I agree with it. Likewise if you disagree with the teaching of the saints and conciliar confessions quoted then there’s also nothing to reply to because I will not dissent from the authoritative and God illuminned teaching of orthodoxy👍

If you find it odd that people are saying unbaptized infants are damned for eternity it’s because it is odd and it’s not Orthodox theology, it’s Calvinist theology. That’s why it isn’t taught in your catechism, if you don’t believe me go and ask your Priest. It’s really that simple.

@HosannaHosannaa @notepad_001 @HellasHardrada I've read Read the article before I will reply when I get back home 👍

@LayOrthodemia @notepad_001 @HellasHardrada Parish websites are not official dogmatic teachings of the orthodox church. No saints or synods are cited there. Here is a list of actual authorities on the topic orthodoxchristiantheology.com/2022/01/15/the…

The Orthodox Church does not teach that unbaptized babies or infants will go to hell. Any Orthodox Christian who tells you this is, sadly, misinformed. These articles are from direct parishes tackling baptism and infant baptism. assumptionaz.org/infant-baptism saintjohnchurch.org/do-unbaptized-… stmichaeltx.org/orthodox-101/t… pravmir.com/where-do-depar… None of this denies the necessity or goodness of infant baptism, St. John Chrysostom taught explicitly that we do not baptize infants to wash away personal guilt. In his Baptismal Catecheses 3.6 he says we baptize “infants, although they are NOT defiled by [personal] sins, that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ.” the point is that the absence of baptism in one who has no personal sin does not translate into the presence of damnation. To claim otherwise is to import an Augustinian theory of inherited guilt that the Orthodox Church never received and I know of no Priest PERSONALLY Whether Antiochian, Russian or Greek that says this. The Lord who said “of such is the Kingdom” is not in the business of casting infants into hell or a form of “limbo” for not being able to walk to the font.

God has revealed to us things like you need to be baptized to inherit the Kingdom in the scriptures and through his church. So we can at the very least make general statements. These teachings are also to safeguard against heretical views. Yes we can pray and hope for mercy and speculate how some exception may be found but when we speak on “doctrinal teachings of the church” we need to profess the views laid out by the church

@classichusband @Methodios007 Lord have mercy.

The homosexual irreverence is infuriating

Elder Ephraim ("The Art of Salvation" p 107-108)

St Paisios on miscarriage and abortion ("Spiritual Counsels IV" p 133)

Anyone who has had kids, miscarriages, or knows of of those who have been aborted, knows how delicate this subject is. God's energies of Mercy, Love and Justice are greater than we can comprehend. You can find the full work online pretty easily.

He states that infants who die without being baptized are simply in a lesser state, although still blessed. They are still in a greater state than those who lived a life of sin.

I love St. Gregory Nyssa for a myriad reasons. His work 'On Infants Early Deaths' is an beautiful example of his eloquent prose in the face of a delicate subject. Here are some large excerpts...

@JasonCincinnati @RuslanKD faithfully have you talked to ANY parish leaders whether it be Antiochian, Greek, Russian, Serbian, Georgian or OCA Churches about this topic?

What exactly are we talking about here 😂

@MarsMonkey_2 Apostolic btw

Rhythm Church guys pulling up to the live stream

@archisoteric @Silentmob701 Nothing new under the sun, truly.

Yeah, I’m sure this conference of big brained apologists will produce some argument that hasn’t been fully fleshed out, and completely dismantled, over the last 2,000 years of the Orthodox Church.

THE CONVERT SURGE: BROOKLYN The oldest Antiochian church in America is St Nicholas Cathedral in Brooklyn, founded by St Raphael the moment he arrived in the US. After decades as a relatively quiet parish full of cradle Orthodox, it's now bursting with converts and inquirers. In the interview below, Fr Thomas Zain tells the story of the convert surge in Brooklyn.

1) Early Christians petitioning the saints through their holy relics and images is important infrastructure to this worldview. 2) Also, everything venerated by the early Christians potentially had images on them (relics/tombs/altars/chalices). 3) The early Christians venerating the burial linens of Christ which potentially had a resurrected image upon them is one connection (among many) between the incarnation and venerating the image of Christ. @redeemed_zoomer

@barrelagedfaith I'm more of a Spurs guy boss man but I agree lol

@LayOrthodemia He should have definitely kept full control of the Dallas Mavericks

Trailer for a new 'live' show: youtu.be/WYBwVu_Rfow?si… There are much better apologists out there than me but for some reason I'll be doing an Orthodox Apologetics podcast w/ Ancient Faith 'live' every Wednesday afternoon so jump in with your questions! In the first few episodes, we will talk about the 'first Christian apologists' in the 1st & 2nd century and how they approached leading people to Orthodox Christianity. In this trailer, I talk about a much later apologist, St. Gregory Palamas, and his approach to the Bogomils as well as the Muslims.

And another follow up to his argument. I’ve never seen a single response to his actual argument. energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/the…

Here is the undefeated argument that Perry put forth against Sola Scriptura: energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2017/05/25/are…