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@thevikingdood @ThomAquinas77 @JeremyTate41 @michaeljknowles You go ahead and do that, little boy.

@Le_Master @ThomAquinas77 @JeremyTate41 @michaeljknowles You are super gay so forgive us all if we ignore you.

At the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast this morning (where @michaeljknowles absolutely crushed it) I found myself reflecting on what has often been a demoralizing experience working in Catholic education. I started CLT after witnessing firsthand how the College Board was driving mission drift at a Catholic school where I taught. A joyful Dominican sister had introduced two new electives, one in Christian apologetics and another in philosophy. The administration was excited. These were the kinds of courses that always defined a serious Catholic education. But hardly any students signed up. When I asked the students why they didn’t want to take Philosophy or Christian apologetics their response absolutely floored me. I will never forget it. “Mr. Tate, it’s not an AP.” Sometimes they would add, “even if I got an A it would hurt my GPA.” That moment stuck with me. Why were we sidelining the greatest questions ever asked (questions about truth, beauty, and God, simply because they didn’t carry a College Board label?) So we decided to do something about it. We decided to build an alternative to the College Board that drew from the deep well of the Christian and Western intellectual tradition. But here’s the hard part, in the early years, Catholic schools (the very institutions I hoped to serve) were largely uninterested. They preferred to continue chasing College Board accolades, AP distinctions, and National Merit recognition regardless of the impact on the mission and identity of their school. Meanwhile, something unexpected happened. CLT caught fire OUTSIDE the Catholic world. Classical charter schools, homeschool families, and classical Christian schools embraced it. They didn’t hesitate to walk away from the College Board and ACT. They wanted something aligned with their mission, and they found it. By 2023, CLT was in nearly 90% of classical schools… but in less than 5% of Catholic schools. And yet, FINALLY, over the past couple of years, something has shifted. There’s an awakening happening. Some of the strongest Catholic schools and even entire dioceses are beginning to ask the right questions: Why are we parroting the public schools? Why are we outsourcing our curriculum, our assessments, even our vision of education? These aren’t fringe schools. These are some of the top Catholic institutions in the country: Epiphany Catholic School (Coon Rapids, MN) Saint Agnes School (Saint Paul, MN) Frassati Catholic High School (Spring, TX) JSerra Catholic High School (San Juan Capistrano, CA) St. Monica Academy (Montrose, CA) St. Theresa School (Trumbull, CT) Sacred Heart Academy (Grand Rapids, MI) South Hills Catholic Academy (Pittsburgh, PA) Father Gabriel Richard High School (Ann Arbor, MI) Marian High School (Mishawaka, IN) Sparhawk Academy (Millis, MA) Diocese of Lincoln Chesterton, Mother of Divine Grace, Kolbe, and Regina Caeli network Saint Augustine Academy (Ventura, CA) Holy Innocents (Long Beach, CA) Donahue Academy (Ave Maria, FL) Ville de Marie Academy (Scottsdale, AZ) St. Thomas More Academy (South Bend, IN) St. Cecilia Academy (Nashville, TN) Chelsea Academy (Front Royal, VA) And for the first time in a long time, it feels like renewal is not just possible, but already underway. We are amazed by God that we get to be a small part of it!

@ThomAquinas77 @JeremyTate41 @michaeljknowles The CLT has nothing to do with classical catholic education. And there is no rebirth underway.

>> By 2023, CLT was in nearly 90% of classical schools… but in less than 5% of Catholic schools. << Horrible. I'm in my 60s, and I seem to have lived through the worst of the secularization of Catholic education. It's wonderful to see its rebirth. It's hard to believe that we threw away the profound Catholic intellectual tradition for job placement services.

The disparity is quite obviously due to the modern classical education movement which largely thinks classical education is simply the trivium. And not only that, it believe the trivium is stages of learning. This is because of Dorothy Sayers and Doug Wilson. If anyone in the movement acknowledges the quadrivium at all, it’s typically in passing.

@OttokarHochman @panickssery Is it possible that the big change here is the association with the word "liberal"? Eg. the curricula of the trivium and quadrivium might provide continuity with earlier educational discourses.

a LessWrong education is in many ways more "classical" than the novo classical schools in Plato's ideal city the philosopher-kings have to study the frontier of math for 10 years, which he treats as a prerequisite for philosophizing this idea persists among medieval writers too

@isaac_ru1 @ComicDaveSmith @Dan8086Matthew @RaisingWildfire @TheFP @KonstantinKisin That’s hilarious

@ComicDaveSmith @Dan8086Matthew @RaisingWildfire @TheFP @KonstantinKisin That question reminds me of this gem 😆 youtu.be/NM30fUBNp8c?si…

“The things that people are saying about the rationale for this conflict are not true,” says @KonstantinKisin. “I do not believe that Iran was about to pose a threat to the United States… Currently, as I sit here, I don't understand the strategy… I am seriously concerned this will drag on... I’m struggling to see how this ends well at this point.”

@Victor_Vau @shoe0nhead

@shoe0nhead ehm.. banana isn´t exactly big, lol

“your penis is small, mark” “OH YEAH? well yours is big”

@Jordan_C_Adams It’s still meaningless

"Appending the descriptor 'classical' to the word 'education' would have been meaningless 150 years ago."

@RealCandaceO Did you know that 100% of tautologies are tautologies?

How could anyone look at a poll like this and actually believe it. LMAO. It’s cartoonish. These people are too dumb to produce something more reasonable looking like “82%” approval. American Pravda.

@OwenBenjamin In Socrates’s defense he never said that

There’s a three thousand year old cedar in idaho. I love thinking about everything happening that whole time and the cedar was just chilling not giving a fuck about the Magna Carta or some queer in Greece who was proud he didn’t know anything. I love trees

@WilliamsNietzs3 @brianeskow The most hilarious I’ve ever read

@Le_Master @brianeskow It's actually funny too

Can’t wait to pretend to read this.

@WilliamsNietzs3 @brianeskow I’d have to give it to Don Quixote

@Le_Master @brianeskow Which one did you like more?

@WilliamsNietzs3 @brianeskow I should clarify Don Quixote Part 1. The sequel should not have been written. And I hate that it’s now included as part of one whole novel.

@WilliamsNietzs3 @brianeskow Don Quixote and Brothers K are the two best novels ever written.

@arturzdepra @mgbianc Sort of. The quadrivium was firmly established before the trivium was. But the trivium, especially with the study of demonstration in classical reasoning is the way of perfecting the quantitative sciences and ascending through them.

@mgbianc Without the trivium there would be no quadrivium.

The liberal arts aren’t “extras.” In the artistic mode they cultivate reasoning—grammar, logic, rhetoric, and mathematics—so the mind can perceive reality with order.

Arithmetic, not algebra. Quantity is divided into multitude and magnitude. Multitude is divided further into discrete and relative. Arithmetic studies discrete multitude. Music studies relative multitude. Magnitude is divided into rest and motion. Geometry studies magnitude at rest; astronomy magnitude in motion.

@CharlesMullins2 Well, duh... The Quadrivium has spoken of this for centuries now... - Algebra is number (Pythagorean fundamental) - Geometry is number in space - Music is number in time - Astronomy (physical reality of the universe) is number in space and time i.e. geometry in time.

Atoms aren’t particles. They’re stable knots in time. If time flowed perfectly evenly, matter wouldn’t exist. But it doesn’t. It compresses. It stretches. It folds. And where that imbalance stabilises… you get structure. That’s what we call an atom. What we’re really seeing isn’t matter in space… it’s geometry in time. Follow me for more deep insights

@__vining @zenahitz I know St John’s and TAC do some good selections, and I admire that. But a work through of it is a whole different story.

@Le_Master @zenahitz Not all of it. Specifically, First book, derivation of the cord table and the book on Venus (as I remember).

It is the hardest of the great books, in my opinion. Also an incredible entry point into seeing the foundations of mathematical physics and what this form of thinking both offers and obscures.

@SBAENetwork @ReadTheLion A Great Books program pretending to be classical education. I can’t believe anyone would waste time and tuition on something like this.

A new grad program in classical education ingrains moral responsibility in teachers. @ReadTheLion readlion.com/rooted-in-trad…

@ClassicalWisdom Boethius. Cicero. Anaxagoras.

Which philosopher's life would make the best movie?

That’s ancient debunked theory of idle resources. There’s a reason entrepreneurs and capitalists aren’t investing there in that environment and time. Artificially making it occur wrecks the structure of production of the economy. Believing those miners should be in those particular mines and diverting resources there is the fatal conceit of believing in omniscient central planning.

@Le_Master @Rothmus @Libertyseedsco That's only true if an artificial scarcity of money didn't keep the full productive capacity in chains in the first place. Suppose you have 10k unemployed miners and dozens of abandoned coal mines, and you only lack money to get the mining started.

No, that’s destructive Keynesian nonsense. Printing money doesn’t magically create resources. It causes a diversion of existing resources by artificially manipulating interest rates into unsustainable lines of production, especially long term ones. This must ultimately come to a head.

@Le_Master @Rothmus @Libertyseedsco Well If money supply stays the same and prices are the same purchasing power can't increase. Seems to me also that same prices and more money means higher demand that stimulates new factories and more production ie future growth.

@Alyunan00 Jonathan would be glad to know we’ve moved on from the outdated Grecocentrist model. We are now enlightened Hellenecentrists.

# Cancel Diogenis Laertios # metoo