@windhorst_peter @karunsagar15 @Hockneyesque @mcsquared34 Why would any president choose a VP that would undercut them constantly?
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Mark Berry
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@MarkBerry915 @karunsagar15 @Hockneyesque @mcsquared34 so popular that Hillary sabotaged her campaign.
There was an offer of a Hillary (pres) / Bernie (vp) Ticket - but her EGO (and corporate dems) wouldn't allow it.
If Hillary / Bernie ran in 2016 - she would have won.
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No, I think they are withholding the audit of the billion dollars they spent in 8 weeks because they don’t want everyone to know where that billion dollars went.
Hutch@hutchinson
As I understand things, the online left believes that the DNC autopsy would reveal that Gaza was the reason Kamala lost. They seem to *want* this to be true. That is odd to me because I’m not sure why any rational person with a moral center would want credit for Trump winning.
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson So then if you do what's needed to fight fascist the obvious action to the is voting for Dems in the general, right?
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@MarkBerry915 @hutchinson No. Point to where I said that. You're arguing against a figment of your imagination.
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If it’s a conversation about expectations, it’s baffling why you guys would leave out any consideration of what you reasonably expected would happen during a second Trump presidency.
Did you even think about that at all, or do expectations only apply to democrats?
genocommie@genocommie
@hutchinson How have you twisted the social contract so much in your mind that the people expecting something for their vote and people warning of that are now the same as a gaslighting, abusive spouse?
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson Do you think the Dem party is fascist?
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson Do what you need to stop facist except vote against them in the general election....
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson Your apology doesn't apply. General elections are dichotomies. Only two choices. Dems are fighting to flip seats from red to blue.
The Dems are the one pulling the rope against republicans. Leftist are having a tantrum
If you want someone else pulling the rope, win primaries
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@Hockneyesque @mcsquared34 hmm? bernie was the most popular candidate among the general electorate in 2016 and obama was the most popular candidate in 08 in the last 20 years running as a progressive populist.
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@DatboiGoofin @hutchinson The far left isn't the base. The base are your voters who consistently show up to vote.
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@MarkBerry915 @hutchinson If you as a politician ignore the concerns of your base and then lose the election the blame lies with you not the voters.
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What else would it mean? If there really was an autopsy showing that folks who sat 2024 out because of Gaza were the reason Kamala lost, they would necessarily have been responsible for Trump winning.
That’s what that would mean and there’s no getting around that.
tamarackhack91@tamarackhack91
@hutchinson You’re so unsophisticated it’s hilarious. Your argument is “if you think Gaza was the reason Trump won you are “giving him credit” when in reality the left is entirely laying the blame at Harris feet for caving to the donors on the issue as they have been since 24
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson What are further left candidates doing to "earn" votes. Have they done any self reflection on why they keep losing primaries?
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@MarkBerry915 @hutchinson You yourself said about centered positions, so you're prioritising chasing flags, all I'm asking is for you to follow the analogy through. Don't misdirect at leftists, because you're not advocating for pulling. You want to chase.
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson After a primary, there's only two choices. If you want further left candidates in the general then they need to win primaries.
Further left candidates just aren't "earning" the votes needed in primaries.
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson The more apt analogy is people on the far left not pulling on the rope because their having a tantrum.
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson Im going with your logic, further left candidates simply aren't earning the votes of individuals in the primaries. They should do some self reflection on why they keep losing, correct? Maybe they should adopt some more centered positions.
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@MarkBerry915 @hutchinson That's right, put me in the commie box. Go ahead. Good reason to ignore anything I'm saying. I must just be a naughty leftist.
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson Has it occurred to you that voter just aren't that left leaning including in Dem primaries.
Maybe leftist should work on being able to appeal to voters.
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@MarkBerry915 @hutchinson In the primary, voters are bombarded with threats of unelectability when someone dares suggest something that might help the working class. We have to appeal to the middle, the donor class, remember? Don't rock the boat.
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@OneTwoManyFew @hutchinson The primary is where voters show their preference for the general.
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@hutchinson The message to voters is ask for nothing. Accept the scraps we give you, and be thankful for it. Because at least we're not the GOP, even as we slide closer to them to appeal to the median voter. The Overton Window is a commie plot.
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@DatboiGoofin @hutchinson Those voters are ok with a Trump presidency then. Trump is their president by their own actions.
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@hutchinson when they made these decisions and then blame the voters. Voters spoke their piece dems said they didn't care and then DEMS lost the election.
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@_mannys1ngh @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca Manny, tell me the legislation that has passed in this session. What exactly has congress been doing? Do you think Trump's tantrums work if there hasn't been legislation passed?
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@MarkBerry915 @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca Donald Trump literally runs the Republican Party like a gangster. Where he’ll call out individual Congress members to whip them into shape. Joe Biden couldn’t do that??
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It was when Joe Biden refused
to pass voter protections
after Black people voted him in
on THAT PROMISE in 2020
that I finally accepted that
the FIX was ALWAYS IN
and this system
NEVER INTENDED TO PLAY
by the very rules that THEY SET.
Blakely from the top ROPE with the receipts
B L A K E L E Y™℠©® LLC@_iamblakeley
Always notably missing from the Blue MAGA blame game is any accountability or blame for the literal people in power. Somehow, it’s the fault of the left that Biden and compressional Democrats didn’t even pretend to fight for this.
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@YorubaCowboy @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca Your answer was basically they should do something. Nothing that really addressed the issue where Manchin and Senima held more leverage.
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@MarkBerry915 @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca anything up to and including having their families killed
I'm joking obviously but I literally just gave you an answer
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@YorubaCowboy @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca What does Biden do when Manchin and Senima say they won't confirm any of his Judges? Who do you think has more leverage here?
They say they won't vote yes on any reconciliation bills. Who gets hurt more? Them or Biden?
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@MarkBerry915 @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca whipping is by nature a behind the scenes act involving managing the personal desires of congresspeople
that said they absolutely shouldn't have been allowed on any committees of any kind as punishment for their lack of support, which was never done
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@Cosby @BenjaminPDixon @_iamblakeley Voters have responsibility. They don't exist in a vacuum. People who voted for Jill Stein were ok with Trump winning.
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@MarkBerry915 @BenjaminPDixon @_iamblakeley Democratic voters chose to put someone on the ballot that couldn’t beat Trump so by your own logic democratic voters got the SCOTUS they wanted.
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Always notably missing from the Blue MAGA blame game is any accountability or blame for the literal people in power. Somehow, it’s the fault of the left that Biden and compressional Democrats didn’t even pretend to fight for this.
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@YorubaCowboy @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca Be specific, how could Manchin and Senima been whipped to vote to remove the filibuster?
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@MarkBerry915 @BenjaminPDixon @D_Matteo_Ecca whipping votes is the purpose of parties and part of the president's job
his failure to whip votes or even test those politicians on anything shows he didn't want to pass the legislation
and neither of them lost any committee assignments or were condemned by the party
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