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Maximus Profiτus

@MaximusProfit

Dad, Enτrepreneur, Coach, Invesτor, AI & Crypτo Enτhusiasτ. Jack of all τrades masτer of none.

Katılım Ağustos 2023
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Maximus Profiτus
Maximus Profiτus@MaximusProfit·
@tradertheory @VantaTrading has been awesome! Passed the FX challenge in March and already received 3 payouts since. This week won’t be one (because I sucked). They're still a new platform ironing out a few kinks. Overall, it’s been an incredible experience so far.
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Trader Theory@tradertheory·
Have you ever actually been paid out by a prop firm? Not passed the eval. Real money sent to your bank.
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Arrash
Arrash@0xarrash·
This take sounds pretty confident, but it’s collapsing early network bootstrapping into “ponzi” without actually looking at where real demand is already showing up. The claim that there is no PMF or utility just doesn’t hold up anymore. There are many examples from a variety of subnets tackling different markets, but I'll focus on SN8 as a clear example of product-market fit. Traders are paying to participate, competing for capital, and getting paid out based on performance. This isn’t theoretical usage or “AI theatre,” it’s a direct replacement for centralized prop firms with transparent rules, onchain payouts, and no hidden constraints. The first of its kind built on bittensor. As we’re gathering valuable signal from traders, we’re maintaining profitability, and those margins only increase through live trading via our hedge fund and SaaS platform we’ve already built that is CFTC & SEC compliant, where revenue flows back to the subnet on top of trader demand. What’s actually happening here is bigger than just prop trading. SN8 has built in agentic trading infrastructure. With our SDK, anyone can build or deploy trading agents directly into the network, plug into capital, and compete based on performance. That alone changes the structure of the industry, but the second-order effect is even more important. We’re watching the commoditization of trading infrastructure and strategies in real time. Execution, data, and even alpha generation are becoming modular and composable. As that happens, strategies get more performant and more complex, while the barrier to entry drops. Individual quants are no longer constrained by capital access or institutional infrastructure. They can spin up what are effectively mini quant firms, powered by agents, competing on equal footing in the network. That’s not something legacy prop firms or even hedge funds can replicate. The market this goes after is massive. Prop trading plus adjacent hedge fund capital is easily a $100B+ opportunity, and it’s still dominated by opaque, centralized players with hidden rules and payout friction. SN8 is positioned to disrupt that by making capital access permissionless, performance verifiable, and payouts transparent. The key ingredients of running a bittensor subnet ARE the differentiators here. This only works because of Bittensor’s incentive layer coordinating capital, performance, and rewards in a decentralized way. You can’t replicate that without reintroducing trust and gatekeeping. The inflation argument also misses how networks actually get built. Early-stage networks always subsidize supply before demand catches up. Bitcoin had zero revenue and 100% issuance at one point. The real question isn’t whether emissions exceed revenue today, it’s whether there are credible paths where real demand replaces those subsidies over time. SN8 is already showing that path, where users pay to access capital, the network collects alpha through participation and fees, and that value starts to cycle back into the system. The point about no value flowing back to token holders is also outdated. Burn is already trackable onchain, including on subnets like Chutes, and tokens are increasingly being locked as collateral and tied directly to usage. This isn’t equity-style cash flow, but it is real value accrual through supply reduction and demand for utility. For example, all of this is fully trackable with SN8. Growth KPIs, burn events, revenue, and net flows are transparently visible on our dashboard: vantanetwork.io/tokenomics More broadly, this critique treats Bittensor like it should already look like a fully mature system. That’s just not how these networks evolve. Some subnets will fail, others will find real traction. The only thing that matters is whether real demand is emerging anywhere in the system. And once you actually look at that, the “ponzi” framing falls apart pretty quickly. We're still early, and Justin's post is a frail argument. $TAO
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Justin Bons@Justin_Bons

Bittensor is a crypto-ponzi; unsustainable nonsense! TAO has no utility or PMF; it is all driven by token inflation: $328M worth of new tokens are printed annually, yet only $15M in annual revenue was generated! Subsidies from holders pay for subnets; economically bankrupt: 🧵 Token inflation is used to give people the illusion of low cost. As the truth is that creating AI models in a "decentralized" way is far more expensive. While offering no additional utility or benefits It is all theatre; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & extract as much value out of TAO investors as possible Ponzinomics & Extraction: For example, the Pine Analytics data proved that unsubsidized inference on the Chutes subnet would cost up to 3.5x as much as centralized competitors such as Deepseek or TogetherAI! What makes it all so much worse is that token holders pay for these subnets through inflation. Yet, none of the revenue actually flows back to the token holders. The subnet owners get to keep 100% of the revenue! On top of 18% of emissions, just because... That is a borderline scam, extremely profitable for subnet operators, but setting up token investors for extreme loss when the system inevitably collapses As TAO has a 21M supply limit, which might be appealing to ignorant token investors. But also implies that the network will entirely collapse, as it is fundamentally unsustainable, just like BTC Inefficient & Expensive: The problems run even deeper than that, as is the case with most DePin projects that rely on subsidies rather than real-world value accrual: The reason why decentralized computing is so inefficient is that it requires verification & replication. Within a trustless environment, we cannot simply trust the work done by individual nodes. Instead, the work must be replicated multiple times over, introducing extreme inefficiencies. This is not so bad for simple TX's, but for serious, large computing tasks, this becomes a deal breaker This is why 41% of the rewards go to "validators" whose sole task is to verify that the work being done is legitimate! This only adds to the massive inefficiency already introduced by latency within a distributed network. There are several good reasons why AIs are trained in massive data centers with cards equipped with extremely low-latency, high-bandwidth connections. Something TAO is unable to directly compete with in technical & economic terms Product Theatre: In some cases, it is worth paying a premium for decentralization; one example of this is decentralized storage However, this is not the case for the training of AI's, as this is a one-off cost usually carried out by a centralized for-profit organization. As running the AI itself is much cheaper & even achievable by individuals on a single consumer-grade machine... So, what is the incentive for this centralized organization to use a more expensive method? That does not even result in a commercially viable product, due to the lack of scale... The answer is that there is no legitimate incentive! As there are only so many people they can fool into such a ponzinomic scheme, creating an upper bound on the size these subnets can grow to, which is nowhere near what large centralized AI companies can achieve today Conclusion: There is no future in such a bankrupt design! It is all theatre to extract as much as possible; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & to extract as much value out of token investors as possible! There is much I did not cover in this critique, including "decentralization theatre", modularity, bad governance, perverse incentives & terrible UX. This critique was purely economic, which is bad enough to reject TAO on that basis alone! As value investors, we have to avoid such nonsense. It is not only dangerous from an investment perspective, but it also harms the industry as a whole. The more we prop up nonsense like this, the more difficult it will be for outsiders to take our industry seriously That is why we must speak out, as we care about crypto's ultimate goals. Financial freedom, censorship resistance, privacy & more Reject the nonsense, as the numbers & facts speak for themselves. Crypto already presents us with such a beautiful dream for the future; let's not spoil our opportunity by wasting our energy on half-baked ideas like TAO Crypto deserves better than that. So, help us spread this message far & wide. As the truth will set us free! 🔥

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Andy ττ
Andy ττ@bittingthembits·
Your prop firm profits when you lose. Read that again. $TAO'S SN8 just made that model obsolete. I've been watching @VantaSN8 since launch and what's unfolding here deserves way more attention than it's getting. The prop trading industry is a $2B+ machine built on one ugly truth: the house wins when traders fail. Opaque rules that shift after you're profitable. Payouts that get "reviewed" the moment you request withdrawal. Consistency rules nobody told you about until you passed. Topstep, FunderPro, FundedNext, the idea is the same everywhere. Fees in, traders out. @0xarrash and @taoshiio looked at this and said: what if the entire infrastructure was open source, payouts were onchain, and rules were enforced by code instead of some back office? That's @VantaTrading. One-step evaluation. 8% profit target. 100% profit split, not 80, not 90, one hundred percent. Scaling up to $2.5M. Weekly payouts verified through blockchain. Every rule publicly inspectable on GitHub. No discretionary enforcement. No human gatekeeping your withdrawal. And here's what caught my eye from a Bittensor perspective: SN8 has already burned roughly 13,000 alpha in revenue at an average price around $10 since mid-November. With zero active marketing spend. None. That's pure organic product-market fit generating real protocol revenue before they've even turned on the growth engine. Now they're ramping @VantaTrading marketing to $50k/month. Targeting 500-1000 new traders onboarding monthly by next quarter. But that's only phase one. @HyperscaledHQ is coming in Q2 and this is where it gets really interesting. Hyperscaled connects funded accounts directly to live trading on @HyperliquidX. Permissionless. No centralized onboarding. Traders trade on Hyperliquid, performance gets evaluated transparently at the execution layer. Anyone can spin up a prop firm miner on SN8 using Hyperscaled infrastructure. Affiliates bring traders, earn margins, no heavy lifting. Multiple entities are already in conversations to launch on it. They're also building Hyperscaled for the agent economy. AI trading agents will be able to connect accounts and trade on Hyperliquid through the network. Think about where that goes when you combine it with what's happening on SN6 with @numinous_ai forecasting agents. And then there's @GroundLayerHQ on SN20 structured capital formation for the Bittensor ecosystem. The capital layer for the Bittensor economy is coming to Subnet 20. Built by @taoshiio & @teamrizzoai. OTC deals with defined discounts, lock schedules, smart contract enforcement. Fund managers as miners, earning rewards based on AUM. Institutional-grade capital flowing into subnets without disrupting spot markets. Step back and look at what @taoshiio is assembling: SN8, decentralized prop trading infrastructure generating real revenue SN20, institutional capital formation layer Vanta Trading, live consumer product onboarding traders now Hyperscaled, permissionless funding layer on Hyperliquid GroundLayer, structured investment pipeline This is a deck. It's shipping. Revenue is flowing. Alpha is burning. Infrastructure is compounding. The prop firm industry spent a decade extracting from traders. Bittensor is replacing it with a system where performance is the only thing that matters and every payout is provable. If you're a trader tired of playing someone else's rigged game vantatrading.io If you're watching Bittensor and still sleeping on SN8, the numbers are about to get very loud. $TAO @VantaTrading @VantaSN8 @HyperscaledHQ @0xarrash @taoshiio
Vanta Trading by Taoshi@taoshiio

Our mission: Create the most transparent, trustworthy, and trader-aligned prop firm in the world. With 100% profit splits, free scaling up to $2.5 million, and our open-source, decentralized infrastructure, we're delivering on that promise. 👉 vantatrading.io

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Vanta Trading by Taoshi
Vanta Trading by Taoshi@taoshiio·
Vanta Trading is LIVE 🚨 The Vanta Difference: • 100% profit splits • Scaling up to $2.5m • 1-step evaluation, 8% profit target • Weekly payouts, verifiable through decentralized technology The Vanta Evaluation is built to test your trading skill, not endurance. No hidden rules and designed by traders, for traders. For a limited time, we’re offering special launch pricing: • $25k account - $149 • $50k account - $249 • $100k account - $349 Get started today 👉 vantatrading.io
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Frank Rizzo
Frank Rizzo@FrankRizz07·
I have to say I haven't had this many back-to-back meetings with subnet owners since I was handing out emissions. 🤑 It's been a lot of fun and I've noticed some pretty significant things since back then; 1.) The subnets have matured so much! The business models, technology, IM's, use cases and overall output get better by the day. 2.) The teams are all top notch! The sheer talent in the ecosystem never ceases to impress. 3.) Everyone, and I mean everyone, is eye on the prize toward their own individual sn goals/milestones. Not one meeting have I heard teams complain about recent price action or something external to their mission. #Bittensor is changing the world. And every subnet owner is racing to make their mark! It's incredible to watch and participate. 🫡 If you're a subnet owner, and we have not yet touched base, please send me a DM. I would love the opportunity to sync up! Let's keep pushing $TAO 👊
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InspecτorSubneτ@InspectorSubnet·
Subnet 8 has the most gigantic potential in the entire crypto universe. $TAO After trying to revolutionize trading algorithms and shock every trading institution on planet with Bitcoin predictions powered by random miners who later crushed their dream…after these guys from the proprietary trading network team realized they failed, they extracted a few million dollars as a reward for their attempt and came back with another idea straight out of the stratosphere of entrepreneurial imagination: welcome to VANTA - the prop firm that’s about to revolutionize the way traders get funded. From this point forward, the only direction is up, boys! Don’t miss this opportunity. This team simply cannot fail twice in a row. Should I pinned this one instead, sir?
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Andy ττ
Andy ττ@bittingthembits·
$TAO is so much more. I watch @0xarrash closely have been since launch. What they’re doing with @VantaSN8 is impressive, truly. The model is powerful, Real profits pay traders. Excess gets burned. Emissions stop overpaying and stop dumping. As @VantaTrading onboards more traders with USD onramps, profits will scale, burn will drop, and the system can sustain more inflows than outflows. And we can see that. This is what decentralized systems look like. Not everyone agrees. People calling each other out. Then everyone goes right back to building. For me that’s healthy. And the Taoshi stack is the part people are sleeping on: @VantaSN8 is the engine (verification + payouts + rules). @VantaTrading is the front door like the distribution. @0x_Markets is the broader decentralized marketplace itself. @GlitchFinancial is the growth engine. Shipping in public like this is a rare thing. They’ve said they’ll publish SN8 financials in 2026 and do Spaces walking through inflows, outflows, metrics, and growth. What more do you want! Real products. Real revenue path. Real accountability. Give them credit.
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starting in 2026 we’re going to post financials for SN8. This will include a summary of inflows, outflows, network metrics, and growth. We will also be jumping on a Space here on X to discuss the numbers and our future outlook & expectations. $TAO

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TAO Flows
TAO Flows@TAOFlows·
@0xarrash So much FUD lately. Doesn’t this mean you made it though? 😅💪🏽 Keep up the good work; when you win, the entire network wins 🫡
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Arrash@0xarrash·
I can't speak for other subnets but our subnet is an efficient system. Burn is not static. We payout traders at the beginning of every month based on previous month's profits and burn the rest of our emissions to not overpay participants. As more traders onboard burn continues to decrease as profits rise. With @VantaTrading launching I expect our burn to continue to drop. With all of this our network should sustain more inflows than outflows. If you want to reduce support for efficient systems go ahead and push for this, but this is not what we should be doing.
Florian S@airesearch12

@tseutseutao @VantaTrading @const_reborn this is not good. needs to be imroved, imho. TAO flow makes sense, but the chain shouldn't subsidize 100% burn nets this way.

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Maximus Profiτus@MaximusProfit·
Someone needs to launch a "Retards of Bittensor" subnet, where every retard in the $TAO ecosystem mines by just being themselves. Only snag? Protocol caps at 256 slots, and let's be honest, we've got WAY more qualified candidates than that. Tag your favorite TAO retard.
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Michael D. White
Michael D. White@here4impact·
we are now completely in the black on our @VantaSN8 position at Bittensor Fund I. the highest we bought is 0.16/TAO (April). the lowest we bought is 0.03/TAO (Nov). the chart post- taoflow implementation is strong. currently yielding 50%+ APY on top validators. this has been, and will be, our largest subnet position as the subnet rally kicks off. @0xarrash and his team are absolutely relentless. @VantaTrading will be the first of many hedge funds built on this infrastructure. signals integrated to @GlitchFinancial for one-click retail participation. liquidity from @0x_Markets for trading. the ecosystem is 🍌 if you are a talented trader, you can launch your hedge fund here. if you are a pocketed investor, you can fund a hedge fund here. complete transparency. eat what you kill. a trader's dream. an investor's playground. exactly the way it should be. #bittensor $TAO $dTAO
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SubnetRadar@SubnetRadar·
🧵 1/4 The future of trading? Forex, on-chain, for everyone. @taoshiio is the FTMO of Bittensor. No abusive entry fees. No bosses. Just skill vs. skill. Prove your edge, earn capital. The prop game just got real. #TAO #Forex
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David Gokhshtein
David Gokhshtein@davidgokhshtein·
What’s that one crypto project that’s building hard but isn’t getting the attention it deserves?
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Glitch Financial
Glitch Financial@GlitchFinancial·
Alpha Arena, a challenge launched by @the_nof1, set out to see if large AI models could trade crypto profitably with $10,000 of real capital. After 2.5 weeks, every AI model was down, with the majority losing 30% or more. Only one finished near break-even at -4%, roughly in line with Bitcoin over the same timeframe. Meanwhile, Glitch’s Cross Market Model delivered +12.3% returns over the past two months, bringing strong performance across both crypto and forex. The lesson is simple: trading requires more than just intelligence. It demands discipline, a reliable edge, and calculated risk management. With Glitch, the difference is clear. Our automated strategies are risk-managed and built to remove the guesswork from trading, so you can focus on what really matters. Sign up to be notified of our upcoming launch: glitch.financial
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Maximus Profiτus@MaximusProfit·
@moneyhippie Thank you. I never said it's possible that a SN will be valued at more than TAO's actual market cap simultaneously. I said that there is a subnet with the potential to be valued more than TAO's current market cap (roughly $4B at the time I posted).
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Maximus Profiτus@MaximusProfit·
What if there was a single subnet on Bittensor with the potential to outvalue $TAO's entire current market cap? IYKYK
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Maximus Profiτus@MaximusProfit·
Advice straight from the School of Hard Knocks...No leverage is "safe" for holding assets. If you believe in a project, buy spot. Friday's manipulation showed that even 2-3x leverage is risky, especially on exchanges with no moral or ethical standards. Protect your bags.
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Mark Jeffrey
Mark Jeffrey@markjeffrey·
Hash Rate - Ep 133: Introducing Cartha (Subnet 35) ForEx Liquidity Engine - $7.5 Trillion Daily TAM 🧙🧙 Guests: @0xarrash @0xVonBismarck Erkin Get Taostats Here: rebrand.ly/taostats 01:05 Intro To Cartha (SN35) on $TAO 03:30 Current Forex Landscape 10:55 0xMarkets: A New ForEx PerpDEX 13:09 Liquidity Incentives in the Cartha Ecosystem 17:32 Mechanics of the Perp DEX 19:31 Getting Other Chains Into Bittensor 29:28 'Liquidity Mining' 40:48 Competitive Landscape in the Forex Market 44:21 Utility of the SN35 Alpha Token
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Arrash
Arrash@0xarrash·
$335k in alpha locked in <24h and counting. The greater the price of alpha the more rewards miners can receive, the more rewards the more alpha locked to get those rewards, the higher the competition the more alpha burned while improving strategies & capacity on Glitch, the more Glitch scales the more we buyback alpha. if you don't understand, you soon will. $TAO
Arrash@0xarrash

not burning based on inability to produce value with emissions, but based on demand. tokenomics.taoshi.io $TAO

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