@holysmoke @EsquireCatholic Why are you quoting something you don't even know or haven't checked yourself lol
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Michael Perry
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@TheBadTrad @timotheeology Even if they were schismatics, which they clearly are not, they would still be better than the EO as the EO are or at least are flirting with heresy which the SSPX is not.
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@MichaelPer2144 @timotheeology Who says I do care what they do with their bishops? And no-they’re no better than the EO.
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Calling balls and strikes is what I do
Even if I'm otherwise extremely sympathetic to TLM-defenders, don't say bullshit like ordinary Catholics can't find salvation at ordinary Catholic parishes
I'll call bs on that deceptive sales pitch every single time
Timothy Gordon (Rules for Retrogrades Show)@timotheeology
Superior General of SSPX recently said: "in an ordinary parish, the faithful no longer find the means necessary to ensure their eternal salvation." No matter how gae your novus ordo or its priest is, this SSPX claim is pure bullshit: every parish offers Communion and Confession. Is SSPX claiming Communion/Confession at novus ordo are invalid? Episode tomorrow at 6:00 CST ON R4R.
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@certcertifiied @TheBadTrad @timotheeology Neither is the SSPX. They have never claimed that they are the True Roman Catholic Church. They merely claim to be a part of it. Also, if they are currently schismatic, Rome cannot excommunicate them again when they do the consecration. That is an illogical argument
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@MichaelPer2144 @TheBadTrad @timotheeology Orthodox aren't claiming to be "The True Roman Catholics" in the process of doing so.
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@TheBadTrad @timotheeology If they are schismatics, then you shouldn't care if they consecrate more bishops, as due to your own reasoning, they would be no different than Orthodox Christians.
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@timotheeology They’re not TLM Catholics. They’re schismatics. They think they own tradition and they don’t. If you don’t agree with them, you’re either ignorant in your faith, or are not a “real Catholic.” It’s absolutely exhausting.
GIF
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@ThxTom90228 @uxixu @crean_fr No, protestants would make up their own doctrine and create their own church. This is a tired trope used by low IQ individuals about people that attend the TLM and the SSPX specifically. There is no logic or basis in reality for it.
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A thought experiment. If there were (quod Deus avertat) a young pope who said he would let holy orders die out by forbidding all episcopal consecrations in his life-time, would it be lawful for bishops to consecrate successors anyway, or would that be the sin of schism?
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@ThxTom90228 @crean_fr Answer the hypothetical. You can't bypass a hypothetical by answering a different but related situation. So, what is your answer to the actual hypothetical?
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@AuditeInsulae @pontificatormax Mark, I thought at first you were just ignorant and not bad faith. I now realize you are just a bad faith liar. You are terrible representative of Catholics as all you seem to know how to do is lie about your fellow Catholics. Shame on you.
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He didn’t say those exact words but he didn't need to — the logic does it for him. If an “ordinary parish” does not provide the means necessary for salvation, then what is it providing? How can it be Catholicism? The Church is not Catholic in name only. A parish is Catholic precisely because it is a real, effective instrument of grace: the Word is proclaimed and the sacraments are validly celebrated under the Church’s authority. So even if he doesn't exactly say “they are not Catholics,” he is still implying something very close to it: that the Church, as ordinarily lived, is no longer reliably salvific. How can you think that is not a MASSIVE problem? You can criticise poor preaching, weak catechesis, or irreverent liturgy, all of that is totally fair. But once you say the ordinary life of the Church no longer provides the means of salvation, you are no longer just criticising abuses. You are calling into question the Church’s very nature.
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Head of the SSPX Fr Pagliarani said “...in an ordinary parish, the faithful no longer find the means necessary to ensure their eternal salvation." He says those at 'ordinary' parishes are not Catholics. How is this compatible with real experience? Two of my children praying the Rosary before N.O. Mass today
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@Tom_McGovern_72 @TLM_Ryan @Garbo824 I have no idea. But the data is self-reported, so I have no idea how accurate it actually is. I bet some of them report as being Traditional Catholics but still go to the NO, so I am not sure how useful the average actually is.
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@Tom_McGovern_72 @TLM_Ryan @Garbo824 Now we know most Traditional Catholics go to the Diocesan TLM so I would expect less than 1% to go to the SSPX. So I would expect it to grow by several hundred.
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@Tom_McGovern_72 @TLM_Ryan @Garbo824 Here's some data for you. around 30% of Phoenix is Catholic. So of the 2 million around 500k would be Catholic. Around 28% of Catholics are Traditional Catholics so that would be around 168k.
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@Tom_McGovern_72 @TLM_Ryan @Garbo824 You reject my anecdotes for your 30 year old anecdotes, which you don't even know because you don't attend the parish anymore. For all you know, the Chapel has grown. You are literally just trolling, aren't you? This is not even remotely a good-faith question from you, is it?
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@MichaelPer2144 @TLM_Ryan @Garbo824 I only see anecdotes whereas I know for a fact that the SSPX church I was "married" in 1996 is still the only SSPX church in Phoenix. This despite the fact that Phoenix has added over 2 million people in that time.
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@Tom_McGovern_72 @TLM_Ryan @Garbo824 Do you hate data or something? I think you just don't want to accept the truth so you are trying to shut your eyes and hope you are correct that they are not growing
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@Tom_McGovern_72 @TLM_Ryan @JeffCassman You do understand that a bunch of the priests are second gen sspx right? A bunch of people at my sspx church are as well including me. Stop pressing this stupid line of questions
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@TLM_Ryan @JeffCassman Please do @JeffCassman Please link to a few 2nd gen SSPX twitter accounts. I mean there has to be plenty right?
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@StephenKokx Stephen, the way you are acting is the precise reason why so many other traditional Catholics don't want to dialogue with online Sedevecantists. You act childish and immature, embarrassing yourself far more than the person you are targeting.
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Another snoozer. Here’s the summary: ‘Stay in the church. Occupy space. Stop the circular firing squad.’
Wonder if Matt will ask Michael to apologize to me and Chris Jackson for calling us morons and seeking clicks on YouTube.
Matt Gaspers@MattGaspers
On Monday (May 4) at 12pm ET, I’ll be going live with @Michael_J_Matt of @remnantnews to discuss how we as Catholics can effectively advance and defend the Faith within the Church and civil society, including the political arena, especially as it concerns the Social Kingship of Christ: youtube.com/watch?v=57BajU… Within this context, we’ll take a look at President Trump’s second term in office thus far (particularly his preemptive war against Iran), the upcoming SSPX episcopal consecrations, and the future of the traditionalist movement under Pope Leo XIV. I’m pleased to announce that Michael and I will both be speaking at the annual Restore Tradition Women’s Conference (@authenticwoman5) in Colorado later this year (Sept. 25-26, 2026): restoretradition.com And Michael will of course be hosting the annual Catholic Identity Conference in October: catholicidentityconference.org We hope to see you in the live chat! VERITATIS VOX: Hear His Voice ✠ Know and Love the Truth (John 18:37) @MattPGaspers" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">youtube.com/@MattPGaspers
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@matthew_sede That being said, Athanasius was most definitely suppressed for being far more vocal against Arianism than the Pope. Even the Pope allowed the Arian bishops to banish him, when he could have stepped in. I do understand where you are coming from though.
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@matthew_sede That is an interesting read. And I do agree that Athanasius was most likely not excommunicated and that Liberius was not an Arian, but just either a weak person or tortured to not fully publicly be against Arianism.
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The saints were ultramontanists. The saints were hyperpapalists.
The enemies of the Church are papal minimalists.
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@matthew_sede You can't use your own tweets as a data point. It means nothing. You have proved nothing. The St Athanasius situation is not made up by SSPX and Protestants. It has been recognized by both the pre and post-conciliar church as having happened.
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@MichaelPer2144 That isn't true. On the contrary, it is a lie often told and repeated by the Protestants and the SSPX.
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Matthew Joseph@matthew_sede
Fr. DeSaye: No saint ever opposed a pope. The story of Athanasius & Liberius - which loves to be told by the SSPX - is a falsified history used by the Protestants, refuted by St. Bellarmine. Arguments using Honorious are also of Protestant origin and are too refuted by Bellarmine
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@StMichael71 @oaustro11 This goes to show how ignorant you are on the topic. JP2 never formally excommunicated them. He declared they had excommunicated themselves with the consecration and left it at that. Why do you all insist on commenting on this situation when you understand nothing about it?
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@oaustro11 There is no legitimate appeal against decisions of the Roman Pontiff (CIC 333 §3). The excommunication of Lefebrve in Ecclesia Dei was confirmed and could not be appealed, so it was not suspended pending appeal. Similarly, all the clergy of the Society remain suspended a divinis.
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Athanasius did not scorn his excommunication but appealed the judgement to Rome, whose judgement he took to be definitive.
The SSPX follows Athanasius in neither respect.
They cannot appeal against suspension a divinis by the Pope and so refuse to recognize it as binding.
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@LucaPqt @Emma506131772 @McBrideLawNYC I have found these type of people keep arguing in circles. I am pretty sure they are bad faith at this point
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The SSPX Superior General argues that the July consecrations are not a rebellion. They are preservation.
Rome lifted the excommunications in 2009 but never revisited the schism.
Those who tore the tunic of Christ broke with Tradition. The SSPX is stitching it back.
I don't see why excommunication is necessary. Do you?
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