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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
"Cracks forming in the credit market" Brother, the whole market is so fundamentally fucked, that many stressed and distressed firms started investing in new issuance PIK preferred equity in sub-scale software companies in the 2020s.
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@the_P_God Christ, UBS used do like 15-20% of the IBank every year…..
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@MATTRHULE_Rantz @On3 @PeteNakos used to travel to Europe a lot. Born in Iowa. If i met someone from Nebraska, it was like finding a lost brother. If i see a Nebraska license plate around Thanksgiving, I just flip them off
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On3@On3·
NEW: Iowa's Kirk Ferentz tells @PeteNakos it’s frustrating not knowing what’s real in College Football: “Six years of experience in the NFL, and a lot of things I don’t miss about the NFL, but one of the things I miss is the clarity in terms of expectations and what the rules are... As we’ve evolved into the revenue sharing, which I thought was a worthy and needed step, we’re sitting in a quagmire. Just garbage. It’s so cloudy, it frustrates me not knowing what’s real. In the NFL, it’s very clear, there’s a ceiling and there’s a basement — you have to be somewhere in between. There’s no bullshit to it, and there’s transparency, too.” Full story: on3.com/news/kirk-fere…
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Val Katayev@ValKatayev·
Took a Delta flight from NYC to Caribbean. They overbooked it so Delta started to offer $$ for 4 seats to move to the next available flight. Legally they must keep going up until someone takes it. Here’s the outcome: 1st person took $400 (flight available in 3 hours) 2nd and 3rd around $1500-2000 (I think also booked to flight 3 hours later) The 4th seat took a long time to find a taker….offer kept going up. This one was a rebook to next day morning flight. $2500 - no taker $3000 - no taker $4000 - no taker $5000 - no taker $6000 - no taker It took $7,000 for someone in economy to give up a day.
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
Seller and I agreed to operate a specific contract "at-cost" till a large expansion of it takes place in July 2026. No brainer decision. The seller today informed me that "at-cost" means I make no revenue on it till July.....I love this life
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
The worst part of owning an SMB is the daily grind that is just non-stop. There is always something.
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@blueprintsmb22 Know your UPS driver. The benefits to being kind and getting to know them are crazy. Whole family + parents biz are on same route. A signed package never goes unsigned, he just stops by all 4 locations till he finds someone.
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Blueprintsmb
Blueprintsmb@blueprintsmb22·
Screw college. Go into the trades they say! Stepped out to console my UPS driver who saw a guy get his foot ripped off by a fork lift which was being backed up by one of his co workers who didn’t see him. Small business across the street from us in our industrial park.
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@paulswaney3 I'm older now, but explaining what it was like in your mid-20's is somewhat nostalgic
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@OneManLBO The real ones know....great deals exist!!!! Just not going to see them normally on BizBuySell
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One Man LBO
One Man LBO@OneManLBO·
364 days a year, SMB Twitter bemoans absolutely insane EBITDA multiples, fierce competition, and lack of quality deal flow in the LMM 1 day a year, some dude posts a $1.5M EBITDA plumbing biz asking 4X inc. W/C on behalf of his offline brother and it gets less than 50 views, zero comments Hilarious So let me help get him a little bit more distribution Credit to @blueprintsmb22 for unearthing this one (man got his feed DIALED IN)
Rafael Farhi@farhi_rafael

Posting for my brother who isnt on x. Leading Residential & Commercial Plumbing Service Provider in Southeast Michigan Macomb County, Michigan for Sale: 2025 Revenue: $10M+ EBITDA: $1.5M+ Asking Price: $6M including inventory and equipment RE Available for Purchase as well 50+ Technicians and staff, this is a beautiful company that has been established for over 30 years.

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Paul W. Swaney III
Paul W. Swaney III@paulswaney3·
Packing for my trip - need a moment of silence for my tie which got accidently mixed into the laundry @Hermes_Paris there’s no solution for this right? 😂
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@paulswaney3 haha got one before I left the field, took me 18 pages to figure out they just bought regular consumer goods at wholesale and sold to the govt at a massive mark-up via SMB-reserved DoD contracts
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
Update on Year so far: 1. I never want to be asked about Daycare fraud again 2. Expansion drains every dollar of working capital and some. 3. Every seller we engage with is too unique 4. Employees and customers happy 5. Jan budget hit At least no leaks like @blueprintsmb22
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@A_LastingLegacy @srenkesPC IME, PE operators cant maintain a high quality reputation in any fields, long-term. To maintain a great rep, you have to be willing to have years where you didnt hit budget bc you did the right thing. No PE operator is willing to do the same.
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Nathan Lindley
Nathan Lindley@A_LastingLegacy·
@srenkesPC Do you know where multiples are? The google account for that business is literally the only thing I can think you could buy not build at least in the first year. The second year though...
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Nathan Lindley
Nathan Lindley@A_LastingLegacy·
The latest buzz in the PE ❤️ Home Services story has been around roofing. This one puzzles me greatly as I cant see anything about a roofing company that couldn't be replicated overnight at very little cost. As far as I know, there is very little stickiness to roofing customers, unlike pool service or pest control where regular service creates more of a relationship. So, I'm very unclear what it is the PE groups are buying...
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@HighyieldHarry So many of those are the "who's who" of the 90's and early 2000's. MDP is the blue-blood of Chicago! Almost like billion-dollar PE is tough and limited......
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High Yield Harry@HighyieldHarry·
Forbes is out with an article on Zombie PE firms and put together a list of 20 firms that are "treading water" or scaling back. Onex and Vestar are among the firms called out. “If you had two good funds and then a bad fund, you have some hope...if you’ve had two bad funds, you're probably out of luck."
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@BigJohn043 @PEoperator We only acquire for 3x or less. Some exception to go to 4x, if it is doing significant cash-flow. Options under 5x exist, just rarely through a broker, in my experience.
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John Caple
John Caple@BigJohn043·
@PEoperator Please. You are the guy who said you can't buy a business over $1M of EBITDA for 5x or less. I showed you the data....
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PEoperator⚡️@PEoperator·
As usual, PE has it all figured out… “most management teams (and boards with limited equity) don't really want that discipline” We are all so lucky PE exists to install discipline because the rest of us would otherwise just run amuck. If only Apple had access to a great financial mind like a PE MD, maybe they could create real shareholder value… But in reality, adding debt does create risk. It means there can be more reward, but it also creates downside. Just because there is a portfolio of companies with debt doesn’t mean the risk is gone or even sufficiently mitigated… that’s exactly what people thought before the GFC. PE has a place and can create value, but get real.
John Caple@BigJohn043

Finance 101 says that when looking at returns they need to be on a risk adjusted basis. I agree 100%. It is also true to PE uses more leverage in their companies that the public markets. But does that mean that investments in PE are "riskier". It is true that if you look at a single company then the addition of leverage both increases returns to equity and increases the risk. But across a portfolio you have to think of it differently. Very few portcos are going to default and on average across a portfolio that leverage will lead to higher returns. So across portfolio of funds I am not sure it leads to higher risk overall. In fact, I would argue that most public companies are under levered. Leverage brings discipline and most management teams (and boards with limited equity) don't really want that discipline. If would argue that lack of leverage is just one of the costs of poor governance you get when investing in public companies. Look at Apple. The business has $145B of EBITDA, $132B of cash and $90B of Debt. The business is very stable. Even at 3x of Debt the business could either dividend to shareholders ~$500B that is currently not really earning a return. That is just one of the costs of poor public company governance. And you can't just put debt on a public security in the same way you can a company. When you lever a company you are doing it against the cash flows of the business. When you do it against a security you are leveraging the market value. If that security trades down you face margin calls and have to sell part of your position. For that matter you conceptually have to sell part to pay interest as well. It is actually more risky. But maybe we should look at real world data. It is hard to measure PE returns on a short term basis. But over longer terms they are reasonably accurate. Hamilton Lane looked at 5 years returns in a variety of asset classes. The worst 5 year return periods for public equities are significantly worse than PE. So if the real risk is losing money then you would argue public companies are actually riskier. I think there are real differences in the marking process so I am not sure that is true but at a minimum it isn't clear that PE is somehow riskier....

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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@connorpera @BigJohn043 Best take on this thread. I would add many leaves still have not been turned over in hot roll-up sectors in less sexy locales
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Connor Pera
Connor Pera@connorpera·
@BigJohn043 I think a lot of leaves have still not been turned over in the SMB search space. Many sectors are avoided entirely because they are “cyclical” or “asset heavy” even if sub-sectors within it don’t fit that mold or there’s an edge opportunity as you point out.
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John Caple
John Caple@BigJohn043·
Interesting, but this is really no different from what has happened in the private equity space. You can't just show up and make money by doing what everyone else is doing. You have to have an edge and the most likely place to get an edge is being better at owning these businesses and driving growth...
Ben Bortner@Slackwatercap

Yesterday I announced to our investors that Slack Water Capital and our affiliates will no longer be allocating to new self-funded search opportunities. This decision is based on my belief that the environment for self-funded searchers, and self-funded search investors particularly, has deteriorated significantly since I first came up with the idea to launch a fund 3 years ago. While I still have a deep respect and admiration for the self-funded search model, having been a successful self-funded searcher myself, I believe the opportunity set today is no longer as attractive as it was even just 18-24 months ago for the self-funded search investor. When I first started investing in this space, the opportunity set was very different. High-quality businesses with recurring revenue, low customer concentration, and $1 to $2 million of EBITDA could routinely be purchased for 3-5x. Competition for these deals was relatively limited. They were too big for the average buyer but too small for most private equity. Today, there are far more buyers chasing these same types of SMBs. Private equity firms and their portfolio companies have come down market; family offices have proliferated and are looking for uncorrelated long-term holds with strong cash flow yields; and there is an exponentially growing number of aspiring ETA entrepreneurs looking to get in on the perceived gold rush. The results are predictable. Valuation multiples for quality businesses with $1 to $2 million of EBITDA have expanded materially. Deals that once traded at 3 to 5x, now routinely sell for 6 to 8x...and sometimes even higher! The 70-80% SBA loan, 10-20% seller financing, and 10-20% equity self-funded search model of the past simply doesn't work at these valuation levels. Thus, the self-funded searchers, on average, are left picking through the scraps left behind by other more experienced and better capitalized buyers. These scraps are typically the lower quality businesses with high customer concentration, greater economic sensitivity, more project-based revenues, greater key-person risk, and/or more operational complexity. And valuations for these businesses have moved up as well. These are primary types of businesses that are trading for 3-5x today. I do think there are still some opportunities in the sub $1 million EBITDA range for self-funded searchers. However, it is really hard to deploy a meaningful amount of capital into these smaller deals due to a small total equity check and the SBA's 20% ownership threshold. While these can be good opportunities for searchers and individual investors, they don't really move the needle for a fund. The typical self-funded searcher profile has also changed. The self-funded search model has been heavily marketed and romanticized on social media and podcasts. As a result, it now attracts a much wider pool of people than it did in the past. Many of the new crowd are not as well equipped to perform what is essentially a leveraged buyout of an incredibly fragile small business. Many of these new buyers underestimate how hard it is to successfully operate a small business while also servicing a significant amount of debt. They underestimate just how savvy the current business owner is, how hard they work, and how many roles they fill on a daily basis. Many searchers think they are buying passive income and can operate from behind a spreadsheet. Nothing could be further from the truth. Finally, when I started building Slack Water, there were only small handful of funds or larger investor groups focused on investing in self-funded deals. At the time, I felt like I was filling a real gap in the market. However, I no longer believe that to be the case. There are now dozens of funds and investor groups targeting the space. There was a period of time in 2025 where it seemed like there was a new fund focused on self-funded searchers being launched every week. In my opinion, there are just not enough "large", high-quality, self-funded search deals for all these funds to deploy that much capital in this space unless everyone is going to write a lot of $50k-$100k equity checks. And how much due diligence can you perform, and impact can you have post-closing, across 100 portfolio companies? This flood of new capital, and shortage of quality deals of size, is naturally causing these funds to compete for what limited deal flow there is. This competition is naturally pushing investor terms in an unfavorable direction. Less governance. Less downside protection. More aggressive structures. Higher entry multiples. Less equity participation. In my opinion, the combination of these 3 changing dynamics is not a great recipe for future returns for the space as a whole... Yes, there will still be exceptional operators who find those needles in the haystack, build great companies, invent innovative capital structures, and achieve extraordinary outcomes through self-funded search. I believe that strongly. However, in my opinion, returns for the "asset class" as whole over the next 3-5 years will likely not be what they were over the past 3-5 years. Rather than force capital into what I believe is a deteriorating environment, I believe the disciplined decision is to step aside. Personally, I've also discovered that I actually enjoy operating more than I enjoy being a passive investor. I enjoy the messy process and challenge of building something. The daily battles that inevitably popup. And, selfishly, having the final say on strategic direction. As a result, going forward Slack Water will focus on building our own platforms and explore new ETA models while remaining open to opportunistically investing across both private and public markets.

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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@OneManLBO I’ll disagree for sake of a counter point. In my experience (15 smallish acquisitions so far), sellers want you to be genuine. I don’t think having a broad approach makes you less genuine. You just either have it or you don’t. Again my experience
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One Man LBO@OneManLBO·
Every once in a while, I talk to an individual about to enter the self-funded search arena. Had a phone call this morning with someone launching next year. "What is your focus?", I asked. "Software," he said. "What geo?", I asked. "[X Coast, flexible, multiple states]." No. No, no, no. NO. I have a very strong view that today's market conditions are such that specialization and focus are mandatory at this point. You don't have to be an idiot like me trying to run an industry-vertical-specific, geo-specific search in a small metro market, but you should at least go down multiple levels for targeting. Otherwise specialized PE or highly networked locals are going to run circles around you, as you struggle to connect with sellers and intermediaries using highly diluted messaging lacking relevance. I have empathy for the new guys. They don't understand how disgustingly competitive it is out there. And I was in their shoes once, and the language coming out of my mouth was probably similar: "looking for a $1M-$3M EBITDA business serving a mission critical need." I don't think that generic targeting has ever worked. Maybe it did for a brief period of time in the 2010s. But today, you need more specificity. "I'm looking for Commercial landscaping companies with $3M-$5M topline in the [X metro] area primarily serving HOAs, with <30% hardscaping / landscaping project exposure. Some irrigation and enhancement project exposure is fine." Fine, I took that to an extreme. But I'm trying to make a point. That's a place to start, and you can stack several theses like that on top of each other if you're geo constrained. But you have to be specific so the communication and targeting gets traction. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN HIGHLY RELEVANT, HIGHLY TARGETED TERMS, ALWAYS
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MicroRollupSMB@MicroRollupSMB·
@OneManLBO My PM / Partner at my last role was mid-shit and he got up without wiping and ran into our CIOs office. He made high 7 low 8 figures a year. Realized my dad who owned an SMB and worked 20 hrs a week for mid-to-high 6 figures was what I wanted my life to be aligned with
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One Man LBO@OneManLBO·
This is spot on. Most people are not cut out for this. I understand the exploratory stage of figuring out if ETA is the right fit. Went through it myself. But at some point, you have to feel a gravitational pull towards this. Usually because it aligns with a personal vision for your life that is 10-20 years down the road, beyond the immediate. If you’re running away from something and hope ETA is your savior or fix, I’m sorry to disappoint you. It ain’t it. Life is hard. This path is ultra hard. Meaningful? Yes, if it serves your larger long term vision. But you have to move beyond the exploratory phase, muster confidence and courage, and be ready to run through walls. If you’re lukewarm about it or have serious doubts early on, that should tell you EVERYTHING. Everyone feels the fear, including myself, but you have to have the FIRE. Attraction rather than the avoidance of your current path. Otherwise, stay the course.
Blueprintsmb@blueprintsmb22

I’ve always had a steady stream of inbounds of ETA / business buying from current finance W2s the last 3 years, but it seems like in the last 3-6 months I’m getting more inbounds from those in their early to mid 20s looking to make the pivot. To do ETA you need capital and experience. I had capital but no experience except 2 decades of being in the pain locker which set me okay to deal w the brutal transition to biz ownership. When you are 24-25, you likely don’t have capital or experience. Trying to do ETA 0/2 is tough. I’m recommending these individuals to pivot into industries they are interested in to get relevant experience. I believe experience is more important than capital as if one is able to source a good deal, finding investors is not that hard. I have a decent network of current ex finance searchers with anywhere from $500k to mid 7 figures of liquidity that are willing to burn through years of liquidity as they do full time search. The level of competition for deals seem incredibly high right now. I’d be be curious if the SMBtwit community would recommend any other advice for those a few years into their career thinking about ETA.

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