Mike Take

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Mike Take

Mike Take

@MikezukiTake

No relation to the MP. Distant cousin of Yutaka. Land of the Rising Sun/Takeshi's Castle. Blocker of blue tick weirdos

Katılım Aralık 2023
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Mike Take
Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@DaveTrue84 @slbsn Articulate yes. Intelligent no. He's aligned with Jamie O'Hara's position on Hull suing the EFL if they lose the final to Boro 🤡🤡🤡
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David True
David True@DaveTrue84·
@slbsn Stefan, you’re very obviously an intelligent chap (from both the language used in your posts and your career) but you’ve been systematically wrong from the start on this. I can only assume that’s as a result of your bias, but I wonder whether now is the time to step away from X
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slbsn@slbsn·
This comes up a lot. I get there because it is a technicality that a Play Off is a distinct competition and one the flexibility of a Commission and its wide discretion should see through on the basis of the well established principle that "any sanction should be no greater than that which is necessary and proportionate for achieving the sanction’s purpose"
George Elek@GeorgeElek

@slbsn I also can’t really work out how you can acknowledge that the play-offs are dealt with separately but continue to say that a points deduction in this case would suffice? The opportunity cost is huge because the misdemeanour came in a high stakes ko tournament?

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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@JakesBurna Hull manager didn't seem preparations were a big deal when the spying allegations came out. On a side note, please don't take legal advice off Jamie O'Hara Pmsl 🤣
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Jake
Jake@JakesBurna·
O’Hara is bang on here. Boro have a much bigger advantage for the final now than Southampton had for the semi. #hcafc have been shafted. What a shambles English football has become.
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@IamBalhamMatt EFL Trophy this year. One team (accidentally?) broke rules. Booted. Opponents reinstated. Championship playoffs. One team (deliberately) broke rules. Booted. Opponents reinstated. Standard practice. Why does your precious little team deserve special treatment?
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Balham Matt
Balham Matt@IamBalhamMatt·
I still haven’t had an answer to the question of why spying is worse than, for instance, intentionally fouling high up the pitch to prevent counterattacks as a premeditated tactic. I’ve heard variants of: 1) Rarara I hate Southampton hahaha you’re out. (Fine, but not an argument) 2) Shouldn’t have cheated then! (Doesn’t address proportionality) 3) Fouls, diving etc. are dealt with in-game (obviously not enough to discourage it which was the main argument for the prosecution in the Saints FC case). 4) How can you compare it to a dive or a foul? (I’m talking about a premeditated strategy involving intentional rule-breaking). 5) Spying gives you a huge advantage, bigger than coordinated, intentional fouling or injuring opponents. (The likes of Shearer, Murphy, O’Hara and Cundy who have played the game at the highest level have come out and said it would have made a minimal difference). I’ve accepted that Saints fucked around and found out, and all associated within the club need to go, but until I get an answer which lies outside one of those 5 listed above, I’ll be of the opinion we’ve been treated very harshly with a completely disproportionate punishment. This *is* the footballing equivalent of the death penalty for shoplifting - and if you’re a Saints fan reading this, bottle that sense of injustice inside, make an absolute racket at Saint Mary’s next season - and you watch, teams will crumble against us as they’ve always done, and just like #Boro and even #Arsenal did on the pitch. #SaintsFC #Spygate
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@IamBalhamMatt Calling you a 🤡🤡🤡 is the same as "ra ra ra I hate Southampton"?? You must be on the Saints legal team Pmsl 🤣🤣🤣
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@MichaxlP @GraemeBandeira Don't think postponing would have been a good option, especially with the World Cup in a few weeks. EFL made the right call to crack on. Good luck in the final 👍 x.com/i/status/20571…
Mike Take@MikezukiTake

@OnceAFarmer @haydyn1904 That's potentially the only thing they may have got wrong, but then again, I'm not sure even that's correct. If Soton are found innocent, their game v Boro has to be squeezed in, is it fair Hull get a much longer rest before the final? If Soton are found guilty, is there another

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MichaxlP@MichaxlP·
@GraemeBandeira It is beyond ridiculous that the EFL didn’t postpone the match but that can’t be taken out on us, there should have been a halt as soon as the allegations were launched. Hull should feel aggrieved but a bye is a ridiculous shout.
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Graeme Bandeira
Graeme Bandeira@GraemeBandeira·
Hull City have earned the right to contest this showpiece final but they must earn the right to get to the Premier League by contesting this final. Talk of a bye is nonsense. They have to play somebody and Boro are the next logical contestants. It’s not our fault we played cheats
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@MickStath Winners "played dirty" but losers "lost fairly" 🤡🤡🤡 Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
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Mick Statham
Mick Statham@MickStath·
Give the promotion to Hull Southampton played dirty but Middlesboro lost fairly over 2 legs
Vfynn_🥷🏼 𐙚@Vfynn_

🚨🎙️Thierry Henry on Southampton expelled for spying drama against Middlesbrough: “I have to be honest, this is a difficult one. Spying on another team’s training is wrong. Full stop. It crosses a line, it undermines the trust that should exist between clubs, and I understand why Middlesbrough are furious and why the EFL felt they had to act strongly. Integrity matters in this game. At the same time, I find myself questioning whether expulsion from the play-offs is the right punishment. It feels… heavy. Almost like using a sledgehammer when a precise scalpel was needed. Let’s be clear: this wasn’t match-fixing or doping. It was analysts pushing boundaries for tactical information, something that, sadly, has happened in different forms across the game for years. Marcelo Bielsa did it openly at Derby and Leeds, admitted it, and people called him a genius, not a criminal. Drones, analysts in trees, whatever, in the modern game with data and marginal gains everywhere, clubs push boundaries. Southampton admitted it, yes, and they deserve punishment. A heavy fine, points deduction, maybe even a ban for the staff involved. But kicking the entire club out after they earned their place on the pitch? That punishes players, coaches, and fans who had nothing to do with one or two analysts doing something stupid. What troubles me most is the collateral damage. The players who battled through a tough Championship season after relegation, who went to extra time and scored that late goal to beat Middlesbrough on the pitch, they earned their place in the final through merit. Now that achievement is being erased because of actions taken by a small number of staff members. That feels disproportionate to me. A significant fine, a points deduction for next season, and sanctions against the individuals responsible, those would be strong, meaningful punishments that address the breach without nullifying an entire season’s competitive work. Sport has to balance two things: protecting fairness and recognising that human error and ambition sometimes lead people astray. If every rules breach in high-stakes moments leads to rewriting results, we risk turning the disciplinary process into something more powerful than the football itself. I’ve sat in dressing rooms where we prepared meticulously for opponents. Everyone does. The difference is getting caught. I hope Southampton appeal and that the final decision finds a better equilibrium. Middlesbrough deserve respect, they were wronged but the players of Southampton also deserve not to have their legitimate efforts wiped away. Football is emotional, passionate, and imperfect. The response to this should reflect wisdom as much as outrage. We need clearer rules going forward so incidents like this become rare, but we must be careful not to let one mistake destroy what was built legitimately on the grass.

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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@willlester37 @L1minus10 Don't think delaying was a good option. Certainly not for two weeks with a World Cup on the horizon. EFL made the right call to plough on with the fixtures. Feel for fans who recognise they've been shafted by their own club x.com/i/status/20571…
Mike Take@MikezukiTake

@OnceAFarmer @haydyn1904 That's potentially the only thing they may have got wrong, but then again, I'm not sure even that's correct. If Soton are found innocent, their game v Boro has to be squeezed in, is it fair Hull get a much longer rest before the final? If Soton are found guilty, is there another

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Will Lester
Will Lester@willlester37·
@L1minus10 We left ourselves open to the punishment. No one else to blame. Do feel EFL have mismanaged the situation though, should have postponed for 2 weeks before the first leg was played, to allow for proper disciplinary and to prevent us as fans being taken for a ride unnecessarily
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Glen de la Cour (leagueoneminus10)
People can argue all they like that the punishment was disproportionate. The issue is that by cheating, we gave those in real power the opportunity to do this to the fans and players of the club. #saintsfc
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@TeaCider24 @AidanGrassham17 @JacobsBen Fair chance this is just Hull trying to play mind games with the opposition. At a push, they might have some sort of compensation claim against So'ton. But anyone who thinks Hull have a case against Boro or the EFL is a 🤡
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TeaCider@TeaCider24·
@AidanGrassham17 @JacobsBen We finished 7 points above Hull, and lost late in extra time to an team that had cheated. There's no case, Middlesbrough will be in the final on merit because their opponent cheated and it totally voided the integrity of the tie. If Hull beat Boro, they'll go up on merit too.
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Ben Jacobs
Ben Jacobs@JacobsBen·
🚨 Exclusive: Hull City are consulting lawyers to see if they have a case to be promoted straight to the Premier League after Southampton (subject to an appeal) were expelled from the Championship playoffs. Hull are unhappy at the prospect of facing Middlesbrough at Wembley having spent over a week preparing to play Southampton. Saints appeal is this evening and they will argue the punishment is too harsh. Hull's players had a pre-planned day off today and will return tomorrow with either two days to prepare for Boro, or potentially learn the final is against Southampton again. Hull are leaving legal avenues open, including the prospect of a challenge after the final.🐯 🤝 @alex_crook
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Mike Take
Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@LindPlay5 @Toshisaram @EFL @Boro @HullCity No. EFL says fixture goes ahead. That's it. Seen it on this hella app with Mbuemo handball, Havertz red card, So'ton rulebreaking, but the amount of people who perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to overlook the most basic of principles is comical Lmao 🤣
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The @EFL have fucked up royally in putting @Boro in the final. Playoffs are now a farce. @HullCity have been completely disregarded in this whole episode. Hull have to sue the @efl should the final not go their way.
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@LindPlay5 @Toshisaram @EFL @Boro @HullCity Lol. Their cause may be more just this time, but fact is league said fixture goes ahead so no different. Only a 🤡 would recommend refusing to play. Also likely EFL gave Boro heads up that we'll look it at after anyway
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Mike Take
Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@GCIIMessi More chance of Southampton being reinstated 🤡🤡🤡 Lmao 🤣
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Robotto
Robotto@TheSirRobotto·
@MikezukiTake @IanARobinson Didn’t realise Denmark were responsible for the War in Yugoslavia, nor they ran UEFA …. But sure, you’ve now come to that conclusion
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Robotto@TheSirRobotto·
Hull City have been absolutely robbed, biggest game in decades, didn’t cheat, and are disadvantaged. Why are Middlesbrough the only team allowed to benefit from Southampton’s cheat? I can see launching a £250m lawsuit if they lose and Saturday and I hope they win it. #HCFC
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@SharonA73489522 @Boro Think Boro have handled themselves impeccably throughout this charade. Made sure EFL and So'ton had no way of squirming out of it. Deserve to be in the final. Good luck 👍
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Sharon Atkinson
Sharon Atkinson@SharonA73489522·
I think people who are saying it’s unfair are also forgetting if @Boro hadn’t caught them they would be at Hull tomorrow doing the same thing as it’s just been normal practice for them 🤯 and it would have continued into next season 1000%🤷‍♀️
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Robotto@TheSirRobotto·
@IanARobinson Of course there is basis. Hull have qualified for a PlayOff final, and had less time to prepare against the team they’re facing. They should be promoted, if ‘Boro get a 2nd chance, others will question the same.
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Mike Take@MikezukiTake·
@HarryStokes_93 @blades_sufc_1 Might want to think the postponing option through a bit more. Not sure what else the EFL could have done x.com/i/status/20571…
Mike Take@MikezukiTake

@OnceAFarmer @haydyn1904 That's potentially the only thing they may have got wrong, but then again, I'm not sure even that's correct. If Soton are found innocent, their game v Boro has to be squeezed in, is it fair Hull get a much longer rest before the final? If Soton are found guilty, is there another

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Harry Stokes
Harry Stokes@HarryStokes_93·
@blades_sufc_1 The obvious thing to do was postpone the the Saints Vs Middlesbrough tie, but they clearly didn't want the hassle.
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Harry Stokes@HarryStokes_93·
Clearly we are to blame but the EFL have made a huge pigs ear of this whole situation, seemingly all to Middlesbrough's benefit #SaintsFC
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