Anthony

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Anthony

Anthony

@MosinTheCath

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Anthony
Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@FlanaganOnFaith Doctor of Charity, Gentleman Saint, The Master and Restorer of Sacred Eloquence A man who brought 50,000 Protestants back to the Faith. A man who slept amongst treetops in cold winter nights A channel of love St Francis De Sales
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Multiclassing Cleric@lukei4655·
I'm pretty sure that many problems in the US Church exist because the form of the normative parish family in the minds of most clerics, even unintentionally, is the upper-middle class nuclear family:
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Chris Rojas 🇻🇦✝️@ChrisRojas4081·
@AngAesthetics @sincead33 A consensus alone is not a sign of Tradition. It has to be a consensus of what is dogmatic. In other words, 80 voices are wholly useless if they just say “this is what we believe” or even “this is what a generally believed”. They have to teach it as De Fide
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Anglican Aesthetics@AngAesthetics·
"The Catholic Church tells us the Bible was inspired and we can take its word because it is infallible" So no one could know what books were canonical until there were infallible decrees on the matter in the 15th and 16th centuries?.
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Catholicism does not argue anything like this. The Catholic method of proving the Bible to be inspired is this: The Bible is initially approached as any other ancient work. It is not, at first, presumed to be inspired. From textual criticism we are able to conclude that we have a text the accuracy of which is more certain than the accuracy of any other ancient work. Next we take a look at what the Bible, considered merely as a history, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels. We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries, together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that Jesus was who he claimed to be—God. Further, Christ said he would found a Church. Both the Bible (still taken as merely a historical book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, and teaching authority. We have thus taken the material and purely historically concluded that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Because of his Resurrection we have reason to take seriously his claims concerning the Church, including its authority to teach in his name. This Catholic Church tells us the Bible is inspired, and we can take the Church’s word for it precisely because the Church is infallible. Only after having been told by a properly constituted authority—that is, one established by God to assure us of the truth concerning matters of faith—that the Bible is inspired can we reasonably begin to use it as an inspired book. Note that this is not a circular argument. We are not basing the inspiration of the Bible on the Church’s infallibility and the Church’s infallibility on the word of an inspired Bible. That indeed would be a circular argument! What we have is really a spiral argument. On the first level we argue to the reliability of the Bible insofar as it is history. From that we conclude that an infallible Church was founded. And then we take the word of that infallible Church that the Bible is inspired. This is not a circular argument because the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired) is not simply a restatement of its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable), and its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable) is in no way based on the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired). What we have demonstrated is that (1) the Church gets its authority from Jesus, not the Bible per se, and (2) without the existence of the Church, we could never know whether the Bible is inspired.

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Anthony
Anthony@MosinTheCath·
Scripture, the Fathers, the saints all unanimously teach that God undergoes no change. P1) To be affected is to undergo change P2) God does not undergo change C) God is not affected You have a consequentialist presupposition. Something is not a sin because it "affects" God. Sins are transgressions against God whereby we act contrary to Him.
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Christopher Kinyon
Christopher Kinyon@TheIambicPen·
@MosinTheCath @ErickYbarra3 As to that, I don’t know. My main issue is if God is completely unaffected by our sin, then the offense seems minimal to nonexistent and therefore punishment seems unnecessary. The Sproul quote implies to me that God’s infinite nature makes the offense worse.
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Erick Ybarra
Erick Ybarra@ErickYbarra3·
RC Sproul states Jesus did not go to hell, since even the finite suffering of the damned is not enough to satisfy divine justice on behalf of the whole world. Rather, in Anselmian fashion, Sproul says it is the infinite value of Christ’s person and charity that atones for human sin. When asked if Jesus went to hell as our substitute, Sproul says: “That’s a question that has been raised many times in church history because the punishment for sin is eternal damnation, and even that’s not adequate. Our rebellion is against God, who is of infinite worth and value, so that our sin is of an infinite variety. Even if we suffer eternity in hell, that can’t really justly fulfill the measure of punishment that is our due. Obviously, Jesus did not spend eternity in hell. The argument that has been given and advanced throughout church history is that Jesus’ atonement was of infinite value. Being of infinite value, it could cover and satisfy the demand for eternal punishment. Though the atonement was only temporal, the value of the Son of God suffering in our place for our sins—even for five minutes—was such that it would be accepted by God as a sacrifice to pay for the penalty that was our due. The only way that I know to work with that is to look at it in terms of the value of the sacrificial atonement that Christ made.” Since Jesus took our punishment, why didn't He need to go to hell forever? youtu.be/b4zw4tlPfRs?si… via @YouTube
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Christopher Kinyon
Christopher Kinyon@TheIambicPen·
@MosinTheCath @ErickYbarra3 If our sin makes God angry or sad, it has an effect. If it makes God so angry, he must pour out his wrath upon us forever, that effect must be immeasurable. And yet God is infinite. Our sins should be less than a drop of water on a mountainside.
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Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@TheIambicPen @ErickYbarra3 Nowhere did Sproul or St Anselm mention an effect upon the one sinned against... but you did. I'm trying to figure out why.
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Christopher Kinyon
Christopher Kinyon@TheIambicPen·
@MosinTheCath @ErickYbarra3 I am just referring to Sproul’s statement that “Our rebellion is against God, who is of infinite worth and value, so that our sin is of an infinite variety.” I don’t think that makes sense, whether it is from Sproul or St. Anselm or others.
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Michelle Maher
Michelle Maher@marymar49743095·
@MosinTheCath Thank you for your last comment, now I understand. Vatican II was a false council. Their consecration and ordination rites are not only severely flawed, but probably invalid. and they tried to butcher the HOLY SACRIFICE of the MASS. Pvi was a heretic w the rest of VII "Popes"
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Michelle Maher
Michelle Maher@marymar49743095·
Canonizations Are Not Infallible "Saints Who Were Not Saints and On Praying to the Damned."
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Anthony
Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@TheIambicPen @ErickYbarra3 Notice the consequentialist presupposition in your statement. Nobody mentioned sin "affecting" God.
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Christopher Kinyon
Christopher Kinyon@TheIambicPen·
@ErickYbarra3 I think the “sin against an infinite being is infinite” argument is backwards. An infinite being should be less affected by sin, not more.
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Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@marymar49743095 Saint John Paul II and Saint Paul VI fit both of those criteria. Thus you infallibly know that they are in Heaven.
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Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@marymar49743095 St Catherine is infallibly in Heaven because she is universally venerated in the Mass + acknowledged as saint by Rome. Do you agree that either/both of those criteria are sufficient to say someone is infallibly in Heaven?
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Michelle Maher
Michelle Maher@marymar49743095·
@MosinTheCath But why are you using St Catherine? Is it bc she was beyond holy, wore the stigmata or had many miracles. I truly believe she is a saint. The reason for the post is to have a conversation about the canonizations and the fact that the process wasn't formalized until later.
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Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@marymar49743095 I am not making a comparison. I am asking a question based on what you said. Why is it impossible that St Catherine is in Hell? What infallible guarantee do you have?
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Michelle Maher
Michelle Maher@marymar49743095·
@MosinTheCath No. And you're comparing apples to oranges or rather rotten sour raisins to the sweetest pomegranate in the world
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Gailley
Gailley@GailleysTravel·
@MosinTheCath @menezesarts1 @AAjdbsi @TradBob26 The Bishop approved this Mass using the CCC to ensure Catholic runners could fulfill their Sunday obligation & consecrate their sacrifice to God. With only a 30-min window to prep before a 26-mile race, meeting them in functional gear is a pastoral necessity, not a moral failure.
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Ḃôḇ worships the Co-Redemptrix
St. John Chrysostom says that it would be better for some if they never entered the church; because they commit greater sins by their irreverences than they would by not coming at all. It would not be so criminal not to come at all to church, as it is to come in such a manner. Oh, what a horrible thing to see the irreverences which are committed nowadays in churches! And after all this, we hear of persons complaining of the rigor of the divine chastisements!
cherie@PascalWife

Something like this happened at a Mass I attended; the priest quietly refused them Communion. As the priest goes, so goes the parish. Keep a veil and travel dress in your car or backpack?

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Gailley
Gailley@GailleysTravel·
@MosinTheCath @menezesarts1 @AAjdbsi @TradBob26 The Magisterium is the Church's teaching authority, and it uses "right reason." Nudity is a lack of attire, athletic gear is a functional tool for a mission. Comparing them is a logical fallacy. I’ll stick to the Church’s discernment, not extreme hypotheticals.
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The Catholic Steel Man
The Catholic Steel Man@Cath_SteelMan·
False....this is a classic False dilemma. Catholicism does not teach that the Eucharist visibly becomes biological meat and blood. It teaches that the substance becomes Christ’s Body and Blood while the appearances of bread and wine remain. So “it still looks like bread” does not prove symbolism. It proves you do not understand the claim or the metaphysical change that occurs.
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Alton T. Johnson
Alton T. Johnson@AL_J82·
How come Roman Catholics argue so hard for us to believe that the wafer and wine becomes the actual blood and body of Christ, yet whenever a "Eucharistic miracle" happens and it (according to them) becomes actual flesh and blood, no one is eating it🤔 You would think people would be fighting to consume it.
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Gailley
Gailley@GailleysTravel·
@MosinTheCath @menezesarts1 @AAjdbsi @TradBob26 Limits exist, but the Magisterium governs them, not personal interpretation. CCC 2523 says modesty is contextual. A specialized Mass isn’t about "convenience," it's a pastoral response to a physical mission. I trust God & His Church’s authority over my own understanding(Prov 3:5)
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Anthony
Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@Cath_SteelMan @AL_J82 "Catholics do not believe it turns into flesh and blood." This is incorrect. "the sacrament in which those who participate in it through holy Communion eat the flesh of Christ and drink the blood of Christ" -MYSTERIUM FIDEI, Pope St Paul VI
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The Catholic Steel Man
The Catholic Steel Man@Cath_SteelMan·
Well two things of note: 1. Catholics do not believe it turns into flesh and blood. Transubstantiation explains how the accidents of the host (its physical appearance and structure) remain but the essence of the host completely changes into the body of Christ. This is known as Real Precense in the host. 2. If you are stating here that these miracles have indeed happened, then Catholics eating or not eating the host is moot, as the miracle itself further proves our belief in the Eucharist.
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Anthony@MosinTheCath·
@GailleysTravel @menezesarts1 @AAjdbsi @TradBob26 Desert Crusader is getting at the principle of the matter rather than this specific instance. He is raising a good question: Are there any limits to what can be worn for Mass for the sake of convenience in subsequent activities?
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Gailley
Gailley@GailleysTravel·
@menezesarts1 @MosinTheCath @AAjdbsi @TradBob26 A hypothetical "Swimmers' Mass" doesn't change the reality of the OKC Marathon.Modesty is contextual (CCC 2523),& the Bishop’s decision to welcome athletes in gear prioritizes the Sacrament over a dress code.Using made-up scenarios doesnt defend tradition,it ignores the mission
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Allan Ruhl
Allan Ruhl@AllanRuhl·
St. Francis de Sales the “lousy theologian” according to Redeemed Zoomer, converted 70,000 of his fellow Calvinists to Catholicism. He also humiliated Calvin’s successor Theodore de Beze in debate. To this day his book The Catholic Controversy converts countless Protestants.
meta thomist 🇻🇦@metathomist

Heresy really does blind people.

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