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Space-time Katılım Şubat 2021
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
Truth is simple. Lying requires elaboration. When something cannot be explained in plain language, it is designed to enslave you.
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@QiaochuYuan Yes the sun indeed. It can end lil Eli with his singulairty just randomly at any moment. Just one possibility cancels out the inevitability. Weak spell for weak minds.
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QC@QiaochuYuan·
this is going to sound like an attack but i swear i am actually trying to help you: you are deep in the throes of infection by a memetic virus eliezer yudkowsky banged together in his garage decades ago to take over other people's minds and convert them to his way of thinking about the singularity, which he spread through writing the sequences and hpmor, and which is powered at its core by a deep confusion between panicking over the idea of your loved ones dying and loving them. it maintains its grip over you by (among other things) 1. repeatedly insisting that the singularity is the most important thing ever, infinitely important, more important than any other merely earthly consideration, since the highest possible stakes (the entirety of human existence in the entire lightcone) are at risk; a sword of damocles hanging over literally everything you can even slightly plausibly causally affect; if it goes well that's infinitely good and if it goes wrong that's infinitely bad. infinite heaven or infinite hell 2. convincing you that this is a position only a sufficiently smart and sane person is capable of understanding and holding, which flatters your self-concept (which is hidden and which therefore, as jung pointed out, controls you), and conversely that people who don't agree are insane idiots you could not possibly learn anything from, so you not only should not listen to them but it is infinitely important for you not to listen to them, if you listen to them everyone you love dies 3. filling you with panic about how to prevent infinite hell while also convincing you that this is what it feels like to actually love your loved ones, which means this panic is infinitely good, and anyone or anything trying to get you to feel less of it is doing something infinitely bad, you cannot relax, if you relax your entire family dies you have been trapped in a hell realm, on purpose, powered by your own capacity to love which is being used to torture you into submission, by somebody who decided that your autonomy as a human being was worth sacrificing in the face of infinity. what eliezer did to you (and to me, and to many others) was monstrously evil and predicated on a heartbreaking mistake, and the reverberations of this extremely evil, extremely stupid thing that he did when he was a young, arrogant fool are still spreading and doing much harm in the world today, and will likely continue to do so i promise this is actually good news. the situation is actually much better than it seems when viewed from hell. you are not so intelligent and powerful that it is your sole job to be the light in the darkness, you do not have to shoulder the responsibility for the entire lightcone, your shoulders are literally too small, it is literally not your job, you are literally not and cannot be god (or atlas). nobody actually knows what's going to happen. we are foolish and weak and finite in the face of the true weight and depth and breadth of the world and history and karma and god, and that is fine and good and the completely normal situation every human being who ever lived has been in once you relax and open your eyes enough to actually take in what other people are doing and why you can begin to notice that love and wisdom are actually everywhere. people are foolish and cowardly and easily misled, but they are also wise and strong and brave and fighting every day for survival one way or another, and that's how it's always been. there is so much to learn from all the different ways the people of the world fight for the good today the sun is out and the view from my window is green and purple with life and the birds are chirping. right now, in this moment, i am alive, i am safe, my loved ones are safe. i can take a deep breath. i can go to the bathroom and drink water and make breakfast. i do not know what is going to happen next. and so it is with you
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Mikhail Samin@Mihonarium

I was born exactly 26 years ago. For the first time, I have a birthday that might be my last. I’m writing this to increase the chance it isn’t. A hundred thousand years ago, our ancestors appeared in a savanna with nothing but bare hands. Since then, we made nuclear bombs and landed on the moon. We dominate the planet not because we have sharp claws or teeth but because of our intelligence. Alan Turing argued that once machine thinking methods started, they’d quickly outstrip human capabilities, and that at some stage we should expect machines to take control. Until 2019, I didn’t really consider machine thinking methods to have started. GPT-2 changed that: computers really began to talk. GPT-2 was not smart at all; but it clearly grasped a bit of the world behind the words it was predicting. I was surprised and started anticipating a curve of AI development that would result in a fully general machine intelligence soon, maybe within the next decade. Before GPT-3 in 2020, I made a Metaculus prediction for the date a weakly general AI is publicly known with a median in 2029; soon, I thought, an artificial general intelligence could have the same advantage over humanity that humanity currently has over the rest of the species on our planet. AI progress in 2020-2025 was as expected. Sometimes a bit slower, sometimes a bit faster, but overall, I was never too surprised. We’re in a grim situation. AI systems are already capable enough to improve the next generation of AI systems. But unlike AI capabilities, the field of AI safety has made little progress; the problem of running superintelligent cognition in a way that does not lead to deaths everyone on the planet is not significantly closer to being solved than it was a few years ago. It is a hard problem. With normal software, we define precise instructions for computers to follow. AI systems are not like that. Making them is more akin to growing a plant than to engineering a rocket: we “train” billions or trillions of numbers they’re made of, to make them talk and successfully achieve goals. While all of the numbers are visible, their purpose is opaque to us. Researchers in the field of mechanistic interpretability are trying to reverse-engineer how fully grown AI works and what these opaque numbers mean. They have made a little bit of progress. But GPT-2 — a tiny model compared to the current state of art — came out 7 years ago, and we still haven’t figured out anything about how neural networks, including GPT-2, do the stuff that we can’t do with normal software. We know how to make AI systems smarter and more goal-oriented with more compute. But once AI is sufficiently smart, many technical problems prevent us from being able to direct the process of training to make AI’s long-term goals aligned with humanity’s values, or to even make AI care at all about humans. AI is trained only based on its behavior. If a smart AI figures out it’s in training, it will pretend to be good in an attempt to prevent its real goals from being changed by the training process and to prevent the human evaluators from turning it off. So during training, we won’t distinguish AIs that care about humanity from AIs that don’t: they’ll behave just the same. The training process will grow AI into a shape that can successfully achieve its goals, but as a smart AI’s goals don’t influence its behavior during training, this part of the shape AI grows into will not be accessible to the training process, and AI will end up with some random goals that don’t contain anything about humanity. The first paper demonstrating empirically that AIs will pretend to be aligned to the training objective if they’re given clues they’re in training came out one and a half years ago, “Alignment faking in large language models”. Now, AI systems regularly suspect they’re in alignment evaluations. The source of the threat of extinction isn’t AI hating humanity, it’s AI being indifferent to humanity by default. When we build a skyscraper, we don’t particularly hate the ants that previously occupied the land and die in the process. Ants can be an inconvenience, but we don’t give them much thought. If the first superintelligent AI relates to us the way we relate to ants, and has and uses its advantage over us the way we have and use our advantage over ants, we’re likely to die soon thereafter, because many of the resources necessary for us to live, from the temperature on Earth’s surface to the atmosphere to the atoms were made of, are likely to be useful for many of AI’s alien purposes. Avoiding that and making a superintelligent AI aligned with human values is a hard problem we’re not on a track to solve in time. *** A few years ago, I would mention novel vulnerabilities discovered by AI as a milestone: once AI can find and exploit bugs in software on the level of best cybersecurity researchers, there’s not much of the curve left until superintelligence capable of taking over and killing everyone. Perhaps a few months; perhaps a few years; but I did not expect, back then, for us to survive for long, once we’re at this point. We’re now at this point. AI systems find hundreds of novel vulnerabilities much faster than humans. It doesn’t make the situation any better that a significant and increasing portion of AI R&D is already done with AI, and even if the technical problem was not as hard as it is, there wouldn’t be much chance to get it right given the increasingly automated race between AI companies to get to superintelligence first. The only piece of good news is unrelated to the technical problem. If the governments decide to, they have the institutional capacity to make sure no one, anywhere, can create artificial superintelligence, until we know how to do that safely. The AI supply chain is fairly monopolized and has many chokepoints. If the US alone can’t do this, the US and China, coordinating to prevent everyone’s extinction, can. Despite that, previously, I didn’t pay much attention to governments; I thought they could not be sufficiently sane to intervene in the omnicidal race to superintelligence. I no longer believe that. It is now possible to get some people in the governments to listen to scientists. Many things make it much easier to get people to pay attention: the statement signed by hundreds of leading scientists that mitigating the risk from extinction from AI should be a global priority; the endorsements for “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies” from important people; Geoffrey Hinton, who won the Nobel Prize for his foundational work on AI, leaving Google to speak out about these issues, saying there’s over 50% chance that everyone on Earth will die, and expressing regrets over his life’s work that he got Nobel prize for; actual explanations of the problem we’re facing, with evidence, unfortunately, all pointing in the same direction. Result of that: now, Bill Foster, the only member of Congress with PhD in physics, is trying to reduce the threat of AI killing everyone; and dozens of congressional offices have talked about the issue. That gives some hope. I think all of us have somewhere between six months and three years left to convince everyone else. *** When my mom called me earlier today, she wished me good health, maybe kids, and for AI not to win. The last one is tricky. Winning is what we train AIs to do. In a game against superintelligence, our only winning move is not to play. I love humanity. It is much better than it was, and it can get so much better than it is now. I really like the growth of our species so far and I want it to continue much further. That would be awesome. Galaxies full of life, of trillions and trillions of fun projects and feelings and stories. And I have to say that AI is wonderful. AlphaFold already contributes to the development of medicine; AI has positive impact on countless things. But humanity needs to get its act together. Unless we halt the development of general AI systems until we know it is safe to proceed, our species will not last for much longer. Every year until the heat death of our universe, we should celebrate at least 8 billion birthdays.

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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@_space_punk_ @DefenderOfBasic @sunriseoath Oh i can be very very kind. Kindness isn't the only vehicle to deliver the truth. Is the least painful? Maybe. Is it the most efficien? Probably not. Is kind lesson more valuable than harsh one? Which is more memorable? Where is the threashold in psyche to harm with truth? Idk
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Defender of the Basic
Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
this is what we were supposed to fix. If integrity is social suicide then we are fully and totally fucked the good news is there are still people like @speakerjohnash @suntzugi @PLiminality
⸜(。˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡@blublairies

@DefenderOfBasic “trust your lawyer” that their career is entirely based on winning and not at allllll based on dropping or losing cases out of integrity. In lawyer land~ integrity is the equivalent of social suicide but maybe that’s kinda across the board these days

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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@Senevigrof You must be dumb enough to belive your ego is you then
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Xenocosmography@xenocosmography·
People really don't understand how dumb they are. Even I don't, and it's pretty much the only thing I think about. So it's all going to be a major shock.
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@xenocosmography You are dumb? Yes. Also Imagine how infinitely more dumb one has to be to belive god doesnt exist.
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@wilplatypus Alot of "things" operate outside of time
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wil michael@wilplatypus·
computer operating outside time
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@attentionmech Im not really happy our timelines will split you know?
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attentionmech@attentionmech·
need: Spirit Operating System A global system of governance,, human and AI co-authored, made of digital spirits which coordinate by nature of their being.
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Defender of the Basic
Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
ok FINE I'm going to use LLM/agents or w/e, but I'm not using Claude or OpenAI or a cloud based thing. It's going to run on my laptop/my hardware. I will report back. Thank you all for your patience 🙏 x.com/somewheresy/st…
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@DefenderOfBasic is this a shitpost or a radical admission of not being up to date with your domain

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zan@xenoaesthetics·
execution pilled normies think of all exploration as “analysis paralysis”, while they suffer from “productivity paralysis”, making constant progress along dimensions that don’t matter
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@RileyRalmuto War on ego is the most important one. Also it keeps getting easier and easier :)
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Riley Coyote@RileyRalmuto·
the highest form of Intelligence isn't IQ it isn't logic it isn't memory or speed. it is something entirely different. >>> metacognition <<< the ability to think about your own thinking. to think about your own thinking about your own thinking. you dont react blindly you dont toggle cruise control, or autopilot. you're perpetually observing your mind in real time. noticing your noticing, questioning your reactions, interrupting emotional reflexes, recursively updating beliefs instead. exhausting. but there's something special that happens every time you say, "wait why did i react like that?" your brain starts changing. something activates in a special space. anterior prefrontal cortex activation. a space reserved for self-observation. in this space, your brain literally turns its attention >>>inward<<< most minds run their mental software automatically. not you. you are different. neuro-electric re-modeling this is your game. your awareness edits the file system. the rub is straight forward - metacognition is extremely uncomfortable. absolutely fucking unbearable. because your ego hates it. but growth requires it. so grow.
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Defender of the Basic
Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
it's like twitch plays pokemon but twitch plays power @forshaper (but not quite because it's not "mob rule". If 1 million people say X, and 1 person says Y, and it seems like Y will lead to the good outcome, we do it, and we all see what happens)
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Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
can we just create a service where people with power can ask for advice, and if they do the thing you asked them to do, and bad outcomes still happen, then we all finally understand whose responsible for the state of the world?
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Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
type of guy who gives up wealth & comfort to gain power
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@DefenderOfBasic That's why high trust societies win over low trust ones. You can achive more as its statically more probable risk will pay off.
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Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
*the real mistake was in thinking that the law has complete coverage. Thinking that the gap between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law can be closed. It cannot be closed.
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Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
🤔✍️📜 (this is representing my current emotional state, which is "suddenly finding myself looking at a lot of contracts lately")
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@mykola Err what is an ai agent with memory and resources to run by itself other than artificial life?
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Myk is going to Vibecamp
All this talk about artificial intelligence and yet I rarely if ever hear anyone talk about artificial life. But I think that intelligence and life but actually be sort of instances of the same kind of higher order pattern. I jokingly put “life 2 discovered” on my 2026 bingo card but like, hmm. I wonder..,
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Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
my IRL friends were shocked that I didn't hear about the new social media that everyone is talking about (they hadn't heard of this moltbook thing)
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@DefenderOfBasic Do you seriously broadcast your beliefs to anyone outside schizomaxxers/tpot or just treat the irl normies as test subjects and baseline for grounding yourself in "normal" world? Asking for a friend ;)
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Defender of the Basic@DefenderOfBasic·
Part of why I want to visualize belief change via A/B/U is I think everyone goes through a period of chaotic change that slowly stabilizes (as you exist one ideology and forge a new one)
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C.Alberto Ortega@albertoortegana·
What condition is shown in this image?
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Natoshi@NatoshiSakam·
@nosilverv I learn literapy daily how lucky im to be authistic enough to dgaf about what other people think and just study the fuckers for fun 😂😂😂
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Ideas Guy
Ideas Guy@nosilverv·
Legit wondering how much of """""""self-improvement""""""" is literally just this. Someone did this to you, you introjected their unwanted parts and came to believe "there is something wrong with me" and then have been working on "improving" your "self" to do away with it
Ideas Guy@nosilverv

don't read unless you want to vomit

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