Ned Ryerson

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Ned Ryerson

Ned Ryerson

@NedRyerson18

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Katılım Mayıs 2019
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Ned Ryerson
Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@laserloony @Wizardking42 @facetedcarapace I think this post sums up my issues with the way people are responding pretty well x.com/b_n_d_l_e/stat…
wise political commentator (derogatory)@b_n_d_l_e

i fear academics have done a reverse motte and bailey by passing from the obviously true “letting an LLM manufacture fake citations for you is negligence bordering on misconduct” to the much less defensible “we have all read every single article we’ve ever cited in detail”

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microplastics rectifier
microplastics rectifier@facetedcarapace·
The first step to any research project is a literature review, which includes actually reading the existing papers about your topic of study. This was covered on the first day of my research class in graduate school.
Lenka Zdeborova@zdeborova

@eiszett Have you read all the sources you ever cited? During my PhD we, along with dozens of other papers, cited a paper that I later found did not contain the result for which it was commonly cited. I should be banned I guess.

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Ned Ryerson
Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@PhilippAchtel @hollerkid1987 @facetedcarapace Occasionally, the source used for the common knowledge might not actually have the information in the paper. This could be for any number of reasons. Often the same author publishes multiple papers with related data and one of the papers tends to generate most of the citations
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Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@hollerkid1987 @facetedcarapace You can make an argument that incorrect citations are a huge moral failing, but you’d end up throwing out most scientific papers
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Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@hollerkid1987 @facetedcarapace I’m trying to explain that most scientists have probably cited a paper incorrectly by accident. I didn’t see this lady claim that she didn’t read the paper, but even if that’s true, she’s not a uniquely bad scientist, and she’s better than most for being willing to admit it
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Laser Loon 🌠@laserloony·
@NedRyerson18 @Wizardking42 @facetedcarapace If I read a scientific article and I realize the author cites AI hallucinated articles that don't even exist, I'm not trusting anything that author has ever said about anything. No one should. The legal profession understands this.
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Ned Ryerson
Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@drmtgr It’s very reminiscent of the Claudine gay plagiarism controversy. The funny thing is, the people dunking on her this time around think they’re woke
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Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@Wizardking42 @facetedcarapace But personally, when I read papers I’m not fact checking the introductions for correct sources cited, I’m more concerned with the experimental design, methodology, and results
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Ned Ryerson
Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@Wizardking42 @facetedcarapace Did this woman admit to citing papers that don’t exist? I didn’t see anything about that. Irregardless, the semantical difference between poor choices and mistakes was not my point
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Wizard Man
Wizard Man@Wizardking42·
@NedRyerson18 @facetedcarapace Citing something that doesn’t exist and not reading the things you cite are not mistakes those are choices you made intentionally
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Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@Wizardking42 @facetedcarapace Shaming people for publicly admitting to minor mistakes like citing an inappropriate source for a statement is not going to prevent people from making these mistakes in the future. It will prevent people from admitting these mistakes in the future
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Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@PNW_Shane @facetedcarapace Just arguing that it’s a huge systemic issue and people are dogpiling on this poor woman for pointing out that it happens all the time
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Shane R. Reynolds
Shane R. Reynolds@PNW_Shane·
@NedRyerson18 @facetedcarapace People skim papers all the time to see if things are relevant. When you cite a paper it’s your responsibility to read the whole thing. I don’t care what my colleagues do. If they do that they are in the wrong. So I guess I don’t get what you are arguing about.
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Ned Ryerson
Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@PNW_Shane @facetedcarapace If by “lazy shit” you mean skimming for key findings, I agree it’s not good practice but I guarantee you have colleagues who do this, and you’ve probably cited papers that do this!
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Ned Ryerson
Ned Ryerson@NedRyerson18·
@PNW_Shane @facetedcarapace This is how most people read papers. It’s very possible to misinterpret results this way and it happens all the time
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